Indian Car Sales Figures and Analysis

thefreak · 9th November 2007, 11:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by anandpadhye

How many Grand Vitaras?

Where is that excel sheet this time?

471 units of MUV sales for Maruti. (does this include the dumb Versa as well?)

source

Skoda Autos sales fell to 1006 units. Hmm... Octavia feeling the Civic and the Magnum pinch?

neoonwheels · 13th November 2007, 10:24

Where is Vasudeo and his Excel sheets of sales?? C'on its already 13 of this month and we did not get the excel sheet... plz plz plz post it....

vnabhi · 13th November 2007, 13:34

Yup, we are all eagerly awaitng the Excel sheet

vasudeva · 13th November 2007, 14:52

I have posted SIAM data for domestic sales for Jan 2005-Oct 2007 here:

vasudeva - MONTHLY DOMESTIC SALES

On an overall basis (cars+MUVs+vans), as compared with 9/07 sales declined in 10/07 for almost all manufacturers except for small increases for Hyundai and MUL. Compared with year ago (10/06), sales declined in 10/07 for Fiat, Ford, HM, Honda, Hyundai, and Skoda. Increased for BMW, Daimler, GM, M&M, MUL, Toyota, and Tata.

Some key points:
1. M800 sales drastically down.
2. Total SX4/Esteem sales have now declined from 4885 in 9/07 to 4177 in 10/07.
3. City now has the measure of its competition with it being perhaps the largest seller with 3552 in 10/07 compared with 4177 for SX4+esteem
4. Optra diesel is now selling drastically less at 436 in 10/07 (738 in 9/07).
5. All the Spark bookings (reported by GM) have not translated into sales with only 3441 in 10/07 for Spark+uva
6. Skoda Octavia+Laura has bounced back.
7. Civic marginally up but Corolla somewhat down.
8. Super sales increase for M&M SUVs.
9. grand Vitara languishing at 104 per month.

vasudeva · 13th November 2007, 14:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by neoonwheels

Where is Vasudeo and his Excel sheets of sales?? C'on its already 13 of this month and we did not get the excel sheet... plz plz plz post it....

I have now posted it. Sorry, but there was the festival of Diwali in between.

vasudeva · 13th November 2007, 15:11

The best sales increase for 10/07 over 9/07 has to be the Elantra. Hyundai managed to sell 18 vs 3 in 9/07. Production had already stopped in Jan 07, so it took them 9 months to clear it. Do not know if there are still some Elantras around.

tsk1979 · 13th November 2007, 15:17

Wow, some interesting points
1. Tata indigo is winning over Logan
2. Endeavor sells more
3. toyota sold 1712+2531 Innova
4. Tata sold 2353+395 Safari+Sumo
5. Mahindra rules in MuV
Maruti van outsells m800. This

vasudeva · 13th November 2007, 15:21

Something strange about the GM's Spark/UVA production which makes me feel that some of the cars sold in Oct 07 after the price cut may have been older month production.

Here is GM's 3401-4000 mm monthly production and sales (first figure is production, and second is domestic sales, there are no exports) for Apr-Oct 07.

4/07: 2049, 804
5/07: 3256, 3001
6/07: 2917, 2355
7/07: 2516,2214
8/07: 2513, 2975
9/07: 2466, 2631
10/07: 2677,3441

Overall production for 4/07-10/07 was 18394, and sales at 18602. Considering sales were higher than production in 8/07-10/07, some older stock is also being cleared (usual for all, but I have seen this more often for GM).

4/07:

vasudeva · 13th November 2007, 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Wow, some interesting points

2. Endeavor sells more
3.

The old Endeavor used to sell around 150 avge. per month (except for spikes in Mar 07). The new one is selling close to 250 pm.

anandpadhye · 13th November 2007, 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by vasudeva

I have posted SIAM data for domestic sales for Jan 2005-Oct 2007 here:

vasudeva - MONTHLY DOMESTIC SALES

On an overall basis (cars+MUVs+vans), as compared with 9/07 sales declined in 10/07 for almost all manufacturers except for small increases for Hyundai and MUL. Compared with year ago (10/06), sales declined in 10/07 for Fiat, Ford, HM, Honda, Hyundai, and Skoda. Increased for BMW, Daimler, GM, M&M, MUL, Toyota, and Tata.

Some key points:
1. M800 sales drastically down.
2. Total SX4/Esteem sales have now declined from 4885 in 9/07 to 4177 in 10/07.
3. City now has the measure of its competition with it being perhaps the largest seller with 3552 in 10/07 compared with 4177 for SX4+esteem
4. Optra diesel is now selling drastically less at 436 in 10/07 (738 in 9/07).
5. All the Spark bookings (reported by GM) have not translated into sales with only 3441 in 10/07 for Spark+uva
6. Skoda Octavia+Laura has bounced back.
7. Civic marginally up but Corolla somewhat down.
8. Super sales increase for M&M SUVs.
9. grand Vitara languishing at 104 per month.

Well, Utility Vehicles (UV) <3.5 tonnes, passengers <7
Does this mean only Grand Vitara (for Maruti) and CR-V (for Honda)?

If so, then GV looks like settling @100 per month while CR-V has plummeted to similar levels from historic highs. CR-V fall is quite astonishing.

vasudeva · 13th November 2007, 15:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by anandpadhye

Well, Utility Vehicles (UV) <3.5 tonnes, passengers <7
Does this mean only Grand Vitara (for Maruti) and CR-V (for Honda)?

If so, then GV looks like settling @100 per month while CR-V has plummeted to similar levels from historic highs. CR-V fall is quite astonishing.

Yes it means Grand Vitara and CRV. I did not see that CRV had fallen so sharply. I have checked again from SIAM data and the figure for CRV is correct at 125 in 10/07. It could be losing to Safari. Safari is classified in 2 categories: <3.5t, <7; and <3.5t, <9. Sumo is classified in <3.5t, <9; and <5, :13.

tsk1979 · 13th November 2007, 15:55

Considering Sumo sales are good, it means that the safari is being hammered.
Looks like 2.2 is a flop show.

vasudeva · 13th November 2007, 16:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by tsk1979

Considering Sumo sales are good, it means that the safari is being hammered.
Looks like 2.2 is a flop show.

In the <3.5t,<7 passenger category, only Safari is included. Here it sold 2353 in 10/07, compared with 1536 in 9/07. In fact, the reverse may be true if you look at Tata's sales trend in the other 2 MUV category where Sumo is also included.

thefreak · 13th November 2007, 17:47

GM in the premium segment should be the various variants of Optra and the Magnum?

GM is losing out big time on that segment (as well as all others

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anandpadhye · 13th November 2007, 17:56

Swift DDiS is selling on the merits of the engine but the Optra magnum does not seem to be able to do that!!!

What's the matter?

I have TD'd the Swift DDiS and it is one amazing machine. Haven't driven the Optra diesel yet...

13th November 2007, 10:24	#512
neoonwheels Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pune Posts: 2,071 Thanked: 1,882 Times View My Garage	Where is Vasudeo and his Excel sheets of sales?? C'on its already 13 of this month and we did not get the excel sheet... plz plz plz post it....
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13th November 2007, 13:34	#513
vnabhi Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: DC -> DC Posts: 5,990 Thanked: 2,421 Times View My Garage	Yup, we are all eagerly awaitng the Excel sheet
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13th November 2007, 14:52	#514
vasudeva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 2,223 Thanked: 212 Times	I have posted SIAM data for domestic sales for Jan 2005-Oct 2007 here: vasudeva - MONTHLY DOMESTIC SALES On an overall basis (cars+MUVs+vans), as compared with 9/07 sales declined in 10/07 for almost all manufacturers except for small increases for Hyundai and MUL. Compared with year ago (10/06), sales declined in 10/07 for Fiat, Ford, HM, Honda, Hyundai, and Skoda. Increased for BMW, Daimler, GM, M&M, MUL, Toyota, and Tata. Some key points: 1. M800 sales drastically down. 2. Total SX4/Esteem sales have now declined from 4885 in 9/07 to 4177 in 10/07. 3. City now has the measure of its competition with it being perhaps the largest seller with 3552 in 10/07 compared with 4177 for SX4+esteem 4. Optra diesel is now selling drastically less at 436 in 10/07 (738 in 9/07). 5. All the Spark bookings (reported by GM) have not translated into sales with only 3441 in 10/07 for Spark+uva 6. Skoda Octavia+Laura has bounced back. 7. Civic marginally up but Corolla somewhat down. 8. Super sales increase for M&M SUVs. 9. grand Vitara languishing at 104 per month.
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13th November 2007, 15:11	#516
vasudeva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 2,223 Thanked: 212 Times	The best sales increase for 10/07 over 9/07 has to be the Elantra. Hyundai managed to sell 18 vs 3 in 9/07. Production had already stopped in Jan 07, so it took them 9 months to clear it. Do not know if there are still some Elantras around.
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13th November 2007, 15:17	#517
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,730 Thanked: 23,347 Times View My Garage	Wow, some interesting points 1. Tata indigo is winning over Logan 2. Endeavor sells more 3. toyota sold 1712+2531 Innova 4. Tata sold 2353+395 Safari+Sumo 5. Mahindra rules in MuV Maruti van outsells m800. This
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13th November 2007, 15:21	#518
vasudeva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 2,223 Thanked: 212 Times	Something strange about the GM's Spark/UVA production which makes me feel that some of the cars sold in Oct 07 after the price cut may have been older month production. Here is GM's 3401-4000 mm monthly production and sales (first figure is production, and second is domestic sales, there are no exports) for Apr-Oct 07. 4/07: 2049, 804 5/07: 3256, 3001 6/07: 2917, 2355 7/07: 2516,2214 8/07: 2513, 2975 9/07: 2466, 2631 10/07: 2677,3441 Overall production for 4/07-10/07 was 18394, and sales at 18602. Considering sales were higher than production in 8/07-10/07, some older stock is also being cleared (usual for all, but I have seen this more often for GM). 4/07:
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13th November 2007, 15:55	#522
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,730 Thanked: 23,347 Times View My Garage	Considering Sumo sales are good, it means that the safari is being hammered. Looks like 2.2 is a flop show.
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13th November 2007, 17:47	#524
thefreak BHPian Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: New Delhi Posts: 362 Thanked: 7 Times	GM in the premium segment should be the various variants of Optra and the Magnum? GM is losing out big time on that segment (as well as all others )
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13th November 2007, 17:56	#525
anandpadhye Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 3,058 Thanked: 3,334 Times	Swift DDiS is selling on the merits of the engine but the Optra magnum does not seem to be able to do that!!! What's the matter? I have TD'd the Swift DDiS and it is one amazing machine. Haven't driven the Optra diesel yet...
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