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27th May 2010, 10:05 | #46 |
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27th May 2010, 20:37 | #47 |
BHPian | @Genesis Well said and succinctly put Soumya. |
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27th May 2010, 21:36 | #48 | ||||||||||||
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And you are one person who uses a no-frills off-roader off the road in reality, and calls it an LSV (the co. never positioned this product in the market as an LSV at all IMHO). Dumb question: Do you think all the OTR people in the various cities of India consider their Gypsys, CJs, MM5xxs etc. to be LSVs? I wonder if khan_sultan considers his super-modded Gypsy to be an LSV (khan_sultan, please respond...) Quote:
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Samurai, which would you consider your LSV? The GV or the MM, or both? Or neither? Why? 4x4addict, where does your Scorpio 4WD fit in? Quote:
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Or did you consider the Getaway / Xenon to not meet your requirements, as mohan explained regarding his choice of the Gurkha? Last edited by SS-Traveller : 27th May 2010 at 21:43. | ||||||||||||
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27th May 2010, 22:04 | #49 | |
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Actually when I bought the 207 in June 2007 neither the Getaway nor the Xenon was out. I found the TL too underpowered and hence opted for the 207 more for its utility I like 4x4 pickup trucks. The Xenon is a good option now should I want to replace the 207, only problem being they won't have a bed as large as the 207 Last edited by DKG : 27th May 2010 at 22:06. | |
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28th May 2010, 00:04 | #50 |
Team-BHP Support | For me lifestyle vehicle is something that represents my lifestyle... Duh! In other words, some marketing whizkid doesn't decide what is a lifestyle vehicle. It is us who make it, by the way we use it. 1) Originally I didn't buy GV as my lifestyle vehicle. I bought it to deal with the bad roads of my area. But then I discovered I can do lot more. When I use it to drive to places most people don't go, can't go, it becomes my lifestyle vehicle. Is this a lifestyle vehicle or not? 2) I bought the Jeep purely for a hobby, I really didn't need it for any practical purpose. So it is a lifestyle vehicle for me. But none of the earlier owners treated it like a lifestyle vehicle, for them it was a work horse. Again it is the usage that makes it a lifestyle vehicle or not. Last edited by Samurai : 28th May 2010 at 07:02. |
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28th May 2010, 01:14 | #51 |
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| IMHO, two categories are seen. 1. Vehicles that are marketed as LSVs, and bought by those aspiring for such lifestyle. 2. Vehicles that are used by owners for their needs, and thus blends to become their lifestyle. First category is outward looking, and a size-able number of folks buy based such considerations. Second category is inward looking. Such folks would not care much whether they/their vehicle is perceived as lifestyle by others. I use my Getz for city, office, highway, hills, beaches ... wherever it, with its limitations, can take me. My second car is going to a reachable SUV to augment my current car. I am considering from Bolero to Scorpio to GV to Fortuner to Outlander. I would not bother much whether me/my cars are being perceived as so and so by others. Then it gets too complicated for me. All I will be looking for is my needs and the car. After all, this is my life, and my lifestyle. |
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28th May 2010, 12:42 | #52 | |
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I doubt anyone will buy that logic Sharath. When you are talking generically across a market a lifestyle product or brand is one which is promoted so by its manufacturer. So marketing whizkids "do" decide what gets plugged as a lifestyle brand not the general public. BTW its another story that the general public may not buy the marketing spiel and dump the product like what happened to the Ford Fusion in India A classis example of how a well thought out marketing program has turned a product into a lifestyle product is Nike. Their consistent positioning of the product as closely related to leading an athletic life style has paid off for them. Now people associate Nike shoes with a athletic lifestyle and using the shoes is more of a statement for many. Last edited by DKG : 28th May 2010 at 12:53. | |
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28th May 2010, 14:56 | #53 | |||
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In the 80s, a Maruti 800 could have been considered a lifestyle vehicle because so few had it and used flaunt it. And they didn't have to leave the road. Quote:
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28th May 2010, 15:12 | #54 |
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Their ads launching the vehicle had helicopters being set aside for a drive in a Scorpio ! The hint was that this was a vehicle for Suave, successful, beautiful people who prefer it over a sedan. Ofcourse they wanted the vehicle to have a high aspirational value. From day one the Scorpio was sold as a lifestyle product and it worked for them. |
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28th May 2010, 15:57 | #55 |
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This is the lifestyle of the lone Scorpio Getaway in ITPL, Bangalore. Ferrying rice bags!! BH. |
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28th May 2010, 17:51 | #56 |
Senior - BHPian | After reading 4 pages of posts, I am as confused as I was when I read the title. What is a Life Style Vehicle and What is a Status Vehicle? Let me try my hand in defining these two terms: A vehicle that reflects the lifestyle of the person who owns it / drives it / rides it.? Ok, then what is Status vehicle? Well Let me give a phoren example here: In Saudi Arabia, as you all know people wear dish-dashas in same color and with the same red/white headgear cloth on their head. Not much one can make out from the way they dress about their 'lifestyle' or 'status. So, when a Saudi mid-aged man comes in - a Mecedez Benz, He is a business man. - a BMW - He is a professional (Engineer / doctor / others) - a Lexus - a Government Official Well, in general, that is how the car they drive reflects their lifestyle. Now, If he comes in a BMW 3 series, perhaps he is not as rich as a man drives BMW 7 Series. So, among the same group of people, it becomes as a Status symbol, while among common people it is Life Style Vehicle. Now, in India too someone can classify the cars being driven based on the makes? Scorpio: Mid size dadas Pajero: Politician (Now being replaced by Fortuner) Honda City: Self driving salaried executive Ford Fiesta: Self driving sports car enthu. Tata Indica: Cab or private cab. Innova: Cab operator or owned by person with big family. Cedia: Self driving Sports car maniac. Swift: Self driving young executive's first car. SX4: Self driving slightly aged executive's second car. Guys, please don't come after me on the authority of this classification, as this is purely my personal observation. I am only trying to understand better the topic's essence. May be I am completely tangential to the topic starters thoughts. Please feel free to rip it off as you like. Last edited by RajaTaurus : 28th May 2010 at 17:54. |
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| I think these are two fundamentally different view points, as I said in my post earlier. One view point is looking at the product from how it is being marketed while the other is looking at it from how it is being used. Not sure whether these view points can converge. Because marketing ends when the vehicle is bought and starts getting used. Quote:
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Lifestyle is the way a person lives. Vehicles marketed as LSVs are those vehicles through which one would want people to know the projected lives. Like owning a vehicle advertised as off-roader. People may (not) be using the vehicle for off-roading, but would project an image of off-roader to others. When the same vehicle starts getting used for ferrying rice, the projection blurs. Hence I think it is the usage of the vehicle that decides whether it is LSV or not. | |||
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One more conclusion: 4x4 vehicles, from GVs to CJs, are usually LSVs, unless... Quote:
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Or take the Nano. The market feared that Nanos would replace auto-rickshaws as the staple public transport vehicle across India - until Ratan Tata put those fears to rest by declaring that Nanos won't be sold for commercial use. Still, fearing that Nanos can overrun the roads and create chaos, Bhutan has point-blank refused to allow their import into that country. So what is the Nano if not an LSV (of the SOV class)? Quote:
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Scorpio: Mid size dadas HVK / 4x4addict is no dada, nor am I (at least not the type you mean, otherwise all Bongs are... LOL). We certainly do not want to project ourselves as one. However, the Scorpio neatly fits our purposes of a reliable SUV with some degree of rough-road / off-road capability. As Mpower said earlier, maybe you can consider that Quote:
A friend who needs to travel into no-road areas on business, drives a Pajero. In his books, a Pajero is also his LSV, because he wouldn't be caught dead in a Scorpio in front of his clients. Not a politician though, but his definition of LSV fits both the SOV (show-off vehicle) and SUV (severe use vehicle). Honda City: Self driving salaried executive Also the Corolla More like the brand-conscious executive. Doesn't like Korean or Indian, prefers Jap (Honda or Toyota) Ford Fiesta: Self driving sports car enthu. Ok. Someone who dreams that he's at the wheel of a sports car. Include the Cedia here too. He isn't likely to take it on to a race-track though. Tata Indica: Cab or private cab. Though Ratan Tata made his money on the Indica by mass sale to the taxi trade, he doesn't want the Nano to go the same way. Innova: Cab operator or owned by person with big family. Or someone who loves travelling long distances in big-car comfort at not such a big price. Cedia: Self driving Sports car maniac. Considered earlier with the Fiesta. Swift: Self driving young executive's first car. Hardly an LSV now, but it had tremendous aspirational value at the time of its launch. I think the unusual looks helped. Today, I think the Beat is starting to take on that mantle a little (the funky car look, a great talking point). SX4: Self driving slightly aged executive's second car. Why a second car? The ads project it as a gentleman's car who lacks basic decency in his interactions with the opposite gender. The ads practically killed its aspirational value IMHO. Now that we have decided that an LSV is many things to many people, let's think up a classification of those many things. Based on what was discussed earlier... Quote:
Category 1: The Stylish / Status Lifestyle Vehicle (sLSV) and Category 2: The Practical Lifestyle Vehicle (pLSV). Do we agree on this? Your inputs please. Last edited by SS-Traveller : 28th May 2010 at 23:04. | |||||||||||||||||
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28th May 2010, 23:25 | #59 | |
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28th May 2010, 23:51 | #60 |
BHPian | Lifestyle vehicle : A personal means of transport which can get you to work and back home. Also fulfill your family needs. But the definition of a Lifestyle vehicle is a bit skewed in India. One will never Buy a Tata Winger just because his hobby is Adventure sports / Fishing / Music or has an extended family. Similarly the well to do would never buy a Tata Nano for use in Cities. Cars in India express the staus symbol and people with 3-box cars think they are in the higher circle in the social ladder. When I bougt my Punto, somebody told me that I was buying a "small" car for hell lot of money and it was a unwise decision. That person even went on to tell me that Swift Dzire Lxi was available for one Lakh rupees less than the Punto and it would give me a higher status being a 3-box car. So tomorrow if I would buy a Diesel Nano for my office commute, people would say I have bought Nano just because its cheap, and since I could not afford to buy a Swift Vdi. So "nobody" in India would like to take this chance especially when it comes to status symbol. I distinctly remember a Peson in Mid level position wanting nothing less than a BMW 3 series taxi, just to show his status. This is what I feel. In India cars are more of 'social style" then lifestyle. |
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