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Originally Posted by tortoiseNhare I hope the data gets periodically updated for use in the years to come when I might be on the lookout for a Sedan. |
Will try to do that!
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Originally Posted by supremeBaleno I don't have big feet, but yes, I also noticed this in the Punto. But then, I don't use the dead pedal on my car even on long highway drives, so this isn't a big deal for me. |
Maybe its my driving technique that's wrong. Or perhaps my height makes it uncomfortable for me to position my leg on the floorboard.
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Originally Posted by k!ng_@thur One more thought, qualities like performance, drivability, safety etc come under "benefits" and mileage and (ownership less resale price) would give the costs. Believe all of us doing comparos would look at cost-benefit analysis. |
I have heard about 'cost benefit analysis' but no idea how to go about doing it. Will leave it you!
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Originally Posted by aaggoswami About the FE figures, IMO, the ARAI figures need not be considered. Overall figures of FE from ACI is the most reliable data I have ever come across. |
Personally, I agree with you on ACI numbers, but many claim to get higher mileage than what's quoted in the magazine. Since ARAI tests are standardized, using those numbers for this ranking will be less controversial. Perhaps we could use both ACI & ARAI numbers, and assign equal weightage to their accuracy and rank them accordingly?
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About on road price and points given accordingly to the price. This is unfair as the sedans belong to different segments.
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We are not suggesting that Tata Marina is a better car than a Honda City even for a moment - just because it has a higher ranking. A Honda City buyer will shortlist Cedia petrol or Octavia petrol most probably, and hence should be compared to its rankings.
I have already mentioned this bit in FAQ on the first page - but let me try to explain in a different way. See, at the end of the day, we are trying to find whether a sedan is value for money or not.
Fiat Palio 1.1 petrol @ Rs. 5 Lacs might be poor VFM, but a Skoda Superb @ Rs. 21 Lacs might be an excellent VFM product. Our rankings system highlights and reveals this fact. As you will agree, the cheapest car is not the best value for money.
Basically, among our 26 sedans, you can assume that the first nine cars offer the best VFM -
more car per car (in Tata's parlance). The next nine cars offer average VFM - basically you get what you pay for. The last 8 cars offer poor VFM - you are not getting what you are paying for.
Caveat is that we are not considering subjective factors like ride & handling, build quality, interior quality etc etc. When we include these, the VFM rankings would be different - but that's something the buyer needs to analyze in his head.
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Factors that are truly missed. Data on interior noise, data on headlight performance ( that can be included in safety ), data on handling. I dont know why, but it would be nice if we put in spare part prices as parameter in others section.
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Yeah, I remember ACI used to give the noise levels in dB for each car. Regarding spare part prices, I guess they keep changing with inflation - so magazines can't keep track of it with accuracy. Headlight performance is not a big issue IMO, because they can be upgraded to 100/130 halogens for Rs. 2,000.
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Originally Posted by Dr.AD One suggestion: In practicality, the Ground Clearance (GC) should to be added. I guess the data for GC should be available in ACI as they usually have this information in all car reviews. |
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Originally Posted by RajaTaurus +1 to Dr. AD. while turning radius is considered aspracticality, GC could as well be considered here. |
Aha, my favorite topic. I have intentionally left out GC although I have the data for all the cars. See, from my Optra experience, I know for a fact that whether you scrape the car or not depends more on
front overhang than on ground clearance. Front overhang is the distance between the front bumper and the centre of the front wheel. Cars with longer front overhangs (like the Optra) will scrape the bumper even if it has high ground clearance. Optra's GC is 170 mm which is excellent, but you will scrape the front bumper on large humps or ditches.
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Originally Posted by Vik0728 I just happened the see the time of this post and boy you really seem to be Smitten by this Analysis Bro. 1.30 AM !! |
oh nothing really - I have always been a night owl. I have been switching off at 1:30 AM since the past 15 years now.
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Originally Posted by benzinblut Very nice analysis smartcat. I too am a fan of such analysis and love to put down comparisons on paper and scale them. Very well done |
Thank you. But aren't you feeling sad about your car's close cousin Optra 1.6 petrol's performance? They should have stuck with the 1.8 petrol.
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Originally Posted by RaguHolla Can some one tell me what should be minimum headroom for 5' 7"? A kind of guideline or chart w.r.t person height vs Legroom, Headroom will be gr8.. |
If you are 5'7", I think headroom won't be an issue for you in 95% of the cars - unless you have extra long hair
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Originally Posted by ACM TATA has introduced a new variant of Indigo CS - BS4 version, for petrol and Diesel both. - Though you would not have all the feature details, you could consider the ones on the site itself. - |
Roger that.
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When we take just the rear leg room into consideration the extent to which the front seat goes ahead or backword becomes a factor, but it means nothing as we need to leave a uniform amount of space in the front before getting down to rear leg room. - For future only.
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It would have been flawed if I had considered only the max legroom. But I'm considering minimum legroom too - so even if the front seat is pulled all the way back, we know how much room is left at the back. And I'm assigning equal weightage to max/min legroom.
Anyway, we do have data on front max/min legroom too - so I can incorporate that to improve accuracy. And yes, Manza is losing out a bit on practicality to Honda City because Honda City has a larger boot space & the highest headroom. Honda has somehow managed to pack in 500+ litres of boot space in the City.