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Originally Posted by Dr.AD By the way, smartcat, when you add features, can you please make sure to add "full trip computer" (with all My Car Stage II features) as a critical feature? This will help the beautiful Linea gain a small point or two :-) |
Yeah right. Keep wishing!
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I am more surprised by the lower-middle position for SX4. It is a fine car, and except for drivability, has decent scores. Only the drivability is pulling it down. When I test drove it (VVT version) a few times, I never felt the drivability was so bad. May be I don't understand drivability.
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Will try to explain driveability again - driveability is the pulling power of the engine in higher gears from low RPM.
Example No. 1: In the city, you are cruising at 40 kmph in the 3rd gear and you approach one of the large (but not too tall) 6 feet wide road humps. In a car with good driveability, you step on the clutch and brake a little to get to 20 kmph - and once you are over the hump, you release the clutch and continue accelerating. All this without downshifting to the second gear.
Or you are cruising at 40 kmph in 3rd gear, and intend to make a turn. You brake to 20 kmph, make the turn and continue in the 3rd gear without downshifting. In cars with good driveability, you can even start from zero in the 3rd gear - but the car will go
ga da ga da ga da for a few seconds before picking up speed.
Example No. 2: You are on a state highway doing 80 kmph in the 4 gear. There is a truck in front of you - but when you are about to overtake the truck, you see traffic coming from the opposite side. In a car with good driveability, you follow the truck travelling at 60 kmph in the 4th gear for a few seconds, move to the right and gun the accelerator. All without downshifting to the 3rd gear.
That is driveability for you. Generally, diesel engined cars have better driveability because of higher torque.
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Originally Posted by pnredkar On a serious note, how do you rank cars that have exact same parameter value. I had noticed this situation somewhere in your small car thread. This situation might be more prevalent for features, where multiple cars have exactly the same feature set. |
aha, I have a new improved version of ranking cars based on features. Coming up next.
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Originally Posted by mkh strange to see ikon diesel much above fiesta diesel!! |
Not surprising IMO. You are getting the same engine at a 35% discount. To add salt to the wound, the engine is in a better state of tune in the ikon than in the Fiesta.
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Originally Posted by arishi1 I think FIAT understands this pretty well and thats why they are gunning for the Linea T-Jet. |
There were complaints about the 1.4 petrol being too underpowered in the Punto, leave alone the Linea. Anyway, the 120 BHP T-Jet should take it right to the top quartile of the rankings - if the FE is good.
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Originally Posted by extreme_torque While I appreciate the time taken by you to collate all the data, what about interiors, pricing, equipments, refinement, looks, servicing costs, spare parts prices and service intervals? Without all this being taken into account the rating are quite frankly not up to the mark. |
Equipment & pricing are being considered in this ranking. Regarding other parameters, refer to FAQ on the first page of this thread
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Originally Posted by srishiva Missed this thread. Very good collection of data. If someone can put besides this table the sales table and ranking for the same, it would be interesting. |
Somebody pointed out that we don't have the sales split between the petrol & diesel variants.
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Originally Posted by benzinblut There are some surprises and shocks in the analysis so far. Cars expeced to be down the table are right up and vice versa. Didnt expect Manza at the top. |
See, Tata always used to make inexpensive cars, but with comparitively poorer engines. Manza gets around the problem by using Fiat Linea's 90 BHP engine - taking it right to the top of the table.
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@smartcat: is brand image and A.S.S. coming too?
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Nope.
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Originally Posted by Vik0728 I had posted earlier on that an Octavia was an Obselete model and no longer available. I checked again with Skoda who confirmed the same. |
Will get rid of the Octy from the rankings in the next update!
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The last time I checked (about a month back) Hyundai Verna had atleast 2 airbags.
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Really? Can anybody confirm this? I checked Hyundai Verna's website - they haven't mentioned airbags under their "SAFETY" segment.
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Originally Posted by CARDEEP smartcat, smart work as usual. But, I am confused over one issue, Dezire equipped with 2 AIRBAGS, ABS & EBD has poorer stopping distance (56.6 M) as compared to Manza (with 2 AIRBAGS & ABS but no EBD) (stopping distance = 51.8 m). Yet, Dezire outscored Manza on your points table (20 is to 17). |
Because Manza doesn't have EBD, it is being penalized although it has a better stopping distance. Remember, we are giving equal weightage to all the safety parameters.
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Honda City despite being overpriced is proving to be the VFM & Dezire & Manza are terrific VFM cars (refledcted by the sales numbers.)
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Yeah, as I mentioned before, price is only one factor to consider when it comes to VFM cars. BMW Corporate Edition @ Rs. 30 lacs can be a VFM car, but not a Maruti 800 @ Rs. 2.5 Lacs. You need to see what you get for the amount you pay.
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Originally Posted by Dr.AD Only when we bring in non-measurable quantities such as fit and finish, quality, reliability (well, in engineering terms reliability is measurable, but that is a separate topic), and handling that Manza starts to have question marks. |
GTO calls the Manza a "neutral" handling car - means not too good, not too bad - I think!
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Originally Posted by AirWind Hey smartcat - pretty nice thread... the Optra Magnum 2.0 LT TCDi retails for 10L OTR Bangalore, that's a cool 2 lakhs off the 12L sticker price, can you update the cost table please? It will give the Linea, ANHC & Cedia a run for its money! |
Woaah! You sure about this?
Anyway, even if it is true, I'm taking only the published on-road prices - not discounts as they keep changing with time. Anyway, looking at the rankings, one can automatically figure out how much VFM car the Optra diesel is, especially at Rs. 10 lacs.
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Originally Posted by indivic Now, now we do seem to have other interests as well , do we ? btw the Magnum is also an ice cream , which the God on my signature is known to dunk a lot. |
Magnum is also the marketing name of a mutual fund strangely. Wonder what the word means.