[Amartya]

Originally Posted by drsnt

i did test drive of saffire drivetech on the same day i did for i10 megna, new wagon r, and ritz.
there was very reduced noise and NVH were very very good compared to i10 and wagon r. and felt adequate for sedentary/relaxed driving
, Ac was also good
beside the well known advantages associated with vista viz space comfort etc the car was better to both i10 and wagon r in respect of smoothness of engine but not as ritz, even my wife said to go ahead with vista, the only problem is overs all sales of petrol vista are very less and so less resale values.

waiting if any improvement in sales i will take a plunge, also no one in temp BHP got one so real ownership report waited

Yes, resale might be a problem, but service won't be. Mainly because Fiat and Tata both share this engine. Although the Punto hasn't sold in great numbers, quite a few 1.2 petrol were sold. In fact this prompted Fiat to launch the 1.2 in the Emotion version.

[Palio_2005]

Originally Posted by drsnt

waiting if any improvement in sales i will take a plunge, also no one in temp BHP got one so real ownership report waited

No car except Maruti and Hyundai has a resale value in India. You may have to wait indefinitely... So my suggestion is that if you need a car, and are concerned about the resale blindly go in for a Maruti or Hyundai (i-10 is much better than Wagon R).

[MihirC]

The Aura+ model is for around 5.2L OTR mumbai. The only thing lacking is the output, only if TATA could boost the output to atleast 70+ odd horses that would help boost the sales. 67 feels too underpowered on paper. Driving is a different ball game altogether though like Linea, underpowered on paper but while driving...... no ways.

[WindRide]

Vista may be a good car, but does TATA A.S.S understand it? A careful search of the vista ownership threads reveals a story by itself.

[MihirC]

I agree with you wind ride but what I feel IMHO is you get what you pay for the brand. No brand gives everything. Any brand we go for will be a compromise on some aspect of ownership. That car might be a maruti or RR. Either you compromise with respect to a well built body or you compromise with respect to mileage and so on. The cars which offer bits of everything for a specific cost are VFM.

The point in this case is no one buys a TATA for its A**, they buy it for the space and comfort at that price point. Also its been mentioned on many maruti ownership threads that the A** is not too great in fact I have read a few threads which mention TATA A** being more or less as good as Maruti, this i guess differs from dealer to dealer for all brands(JMD and Autobahn).

All in all IMHO everyone buys cars either with respect to a brand perspective or with respect to the strengths of the brand which appeal to them mileage /low maintainance for Japanese/korean high speed stability and ride/handling for Europeans so on and so forth.

PS: I meant no offence to any owners or brands. the above POV is just my humble opinion.

[vista_qjd]

Never quite understood why people blame the Tata A**. I have owned a vista for over a year now and never had any problems. More important is the reliability of the car - the better the reliability, the lesser the time spent at the A**.
I have heard horror stories from other manufacturers, including maruti

[Amartya]

Originally Posted by WindRide

Vista may be a good car, but does TATA A.S.S understand it? A careful search of the vista ownership threads reveals a story by itself.

I do think that the vista ownership threads reveal a story, but it's the opposite of what you imply. Manza and Vista owners are a happy bunch as per the reports on teambhp.

Kindly don't let your personal bias against a brand go to such an extent that you make false claims.

[driving_smartly]

Its our perception that we carry with brand. If supposedly a particular Maruti or Hyundai dealer who provides very good after sales service starts new dealership of TATA. Now based on earlier feedback of very good After sales service of that particular dealer with other brands. I am sure many of us with previous reputation of that dealer will definitely turn for TATA.

[rjalihal]

The Vista is indeed a huge step forward for TATA from their existing Indica range. It looks awesome, the specs look good, and from the reviews I read, it appears to be decent. As for the A.S.S. I would not want to comment as I have never owned a Tata car nor have I visited a Tata showroom. I wonder how this car does not set the sales chart on fire. Its a complete all in one package I feel. Not a bad option at all! And now with ABD and air bags they are safe and sound too! What are they doing wrong I wonder?

[sushantr5]

I would rate TATA A** as one of the excellent. I don't know why but I always got very good Treatment and service quality. I had gone to Maruti A** on few occasions to service my friends car who is in US. But when I compare treatment over there then I feel TATA A** is better anyday as far I am concerned. TATA Service Advisers always gave personal attention towards me. And with TATA Service Edge program at least one person is there who is technically very sound. Tell him the problem he will tell the solution.

I have completed 45k kms in my Vista and I think that is sufficient to certificate Tata A** and Vista. I am very happy with my ownership of this Car.

[Amartya]

Originally Posted by rjalihal

The Vista is indeed a huge step forward for TATA from their existing Indica range. It looks awesome, the specs look good, and from the reviews I read, it appears to be decent. As for the A.S.S. I would not want to comment as I have never owned a Tata car nor have I visited a Tata showroom. I wonder how this car does not set the sales chart on fire. Its a complete all in one package I feel. Not a bad option at all! And now with ABD and air bags they are safe and sound too! What are they doing wrong I wonder?

Like you said, the Vista is a great little car. Tata is logging consistent numbers for the Vista (on an average 7K units?) and I don't think they would be terribly disappointed with the market's reaction to the car.

With each car, Tata has grown in stature and the Vista when it's due for it's first upgrade, will be a tough act to follow. People would be surprised to know that the interior quality of the Vista has improved a lot since the initial days (specially in terms of fit). Right now, people are still blinded by the Maruti label (Maruti completely deserves that trust, I am absolutely not denying it), they haven't really tried to find out about cars from Tata.

When you find the time, drop in to a Tata showroom, you'll be pleasantly surprised by the quality of the Vista and the Manza (and to be honest, the new Indigo CS e-series). Can't wait to see the Aria being launched.

[rkg]

Originally Posted by WindRide

Vista may be a good car, but does TATA A.S.S understand it? A careful search of the vista ownership threads reveals a story by itself.

I have completed 26K in my vista. this includes a 3K trip over 8 days across karnataka, maharashtra. car never had any trouble. apart from regular service i did not incur any additional expenses/visits.

[snan]

I drove a VISTA QJD and came back super surprised. I had never been a TATA fan but boy did VIsta change my perception of the brand ! And I'm seeing a lot many people who are happy with their *** too compared to what it was even 9-12 months back. They have improved a lot and deserve their due. Im eagerly looking forward to Aria. If rightly priced, I might go the Aria way !

[san2]

Originally Posted by .sushilkumar

OK , here Goes the AD. it;s a c omplete Page in TOI delhi Edition ..

pity nobody knows about these features despite the ads
its the same with auto magazines too they never include the vista in any comparisons also they mention that vista lacks safety features like ABS and airbags
wonder what the tata guys are doing about this

[MihirC]

Originally Posted by san2

pity nobody knows about these features despite the ads
its the same with auto magazines too they never include the vista in any comparisons also they mention that vista lacks safety features like ABS and airbags
wonder what the tata guys are doing about this

Well Actually Vista is there in most of the comparisions in ACI, its just the conclusion is always the same, A** is bad , car is not niggle free and plastics not upto the mark, panel gaps etc etc

Personally I dont think plastics is a a main concern for people who go for small cars within a 5L budget, mode of transportation from A-B in relative comfort is. If plastics is the main criteria then I guess all the maruti's within this budget have more or less the same level of interiors as the Vista, although the new Vista is quite improved over the previous versions.

TATA does need to come out with advertisements having these features described briefly so that people are aware how TATA have been improving their products consistently. In fact with the petrol Vissta Aura+ at 5.2OTR is one of the safest and reasonably priced hatches with ABS and 2 airbags.