SX4 to come with VW Jetta Diesel engine?

muke31 · 20th February 2010, 11:44

While i was talking with one of the Maruti dealer's salesman, he was talking about SX4 coming up with VW engine that too with Jetta Diesel engine.
he also mentioned that Fiat is not unable or not willing to provide 1.6 or 1.9 MultiJet engine to Suzuki fearing SX4 with multiJet will hit Linea sales in India.
he also mentioned that the pricing will be on higher side and the expected timeline is 6 months.
not sure how true is this statement.

-MUKE

ajmat · 20th February 2010, 12:49

It will take a while to engineer the car though

Car-e-ok · 20th February 2010, 12:58

ok. i thought the other way around. That somebody has purchased a totalled VW jetta(engine working) and installed the engine in SX4 and now posting pics about that.but seems like its different story altogether

.anshuman · 20th February 2010, 13:38

The existing Jetta PD engine is loud and expensive to maintain, Sx4 might come with a VW diesel in distant future but i dont think Suzuki will opt for the outdated PD engine.

sameer551 · 20th February 2010, 15:18

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Originally Posted by Car-e-ok

ok. i thought the other way around. That somebody has purchased a totalled VW jetta(engine working) and installed the engine in SX4 and now posting pics about that.but seems like its different story altogether

I also thought on the same lines. Just clicked this thread out of curiosity to see the engine bay of sx4 with jetta engine!!!

aaggoswami · 20th February 2010, 15:55

1) We are not sure about this news. So its just a sort of speculation, but similar things were heard when a person called me to know whether I am buying car from him or not. I was actually inquiring about the new Wagon R that is supposed to be here before 1st Apr, 2010.

2) About the engine. Its not one of the best units we have seen. Others are performing better than it, are more efficient also. There is no real advantage of this engine.
Next, oil eating. At more than one place I have read about this motor eating down engine oil. ACI did come across an early service light, which is against the typical Jap image and this is not how Japanese cars behave.
So I am afraid that Maruti might lose its image of "reliable car producers" or the image of Maruti cars being reliable. This single mistake can change it all forever.

3) Service cost. VW is, purely in IMHO, a very conservative and selfish car maker. I am sure that VW will try its best to extract more money out of this deal and the spares for the engine/gearbox might be more expensive, which again is against the image of Maruti Suzuki.

I am against this move. If they want to launch a diesel, go for the 2.0 crdi unit from Passat or some other unit like the one found in cruze.

ACM · 22nd February 2010, 14:39

Am sure it won't be the current 1.9PD engine that serves both the Jetta and the Laura. It is good decently powered but noisey, eats oil before the 7.5K to 15K service interval. While the 2.0 engine would make the SX4 a power to recon with. It comes in the passat and the Laura.

Ideally they sould be discussing the CRDi unit that VW has and will introduce into the passat later in the year.

Overall, the engine options like beyond the 1.9PD would be a mis fit for the SX4 interms of power, and the 1.9PD itself will be heavy on maintenance - possibly.

EFF-EIGHT-BEE · 22nd February 2010, 21:00

IMHO 1.9PD and SX4 doesn't gel with each other . What i mean to say is when we think of PD, noise comes to mind and japness cars are generaly sielnt cars . Just my opinion

setuniket · 22nd February 2010, 21:56

Sorry if this is OT to the topic, didnt knew where to post this, my uncle who works for MSIL is being sent to 'somewhere in Europe' for training this time(Usually its Japan).Does that mean something is cooking between VW and MSIL w.r.t to future launches(I know about the VW-Suzuki alliance) in India. If yes then SX4 diesel with VW engine will actually be true.

tsk13 · 22nd February 2010, 22:53

Car-e-Ok, it's practically impossible to fit the same engine without making major modifications to the physical details. i10 and i20 have the same 1.2L Kappa engine; Vista Turbo, Punto and Swift D have 1.3 Diesel engine but all must be different when it comes to shape and other related physical aspects.(I haven't checked the engines of Vista and Punto).

Car-e-ok · 22nd February 2010, 23:04

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Originally Posted by tsk13

Car-e-Ok, it's practically impossible to fit the same engine without making major modifications to the physical details. i10 and i20 have the same 1.2L Kappa engine; Vista Turbo, Punto and Swift D have 1.3 Diesel engine but all must be different when it comes to shape and other related physical aspects.(I haven't checked the engines of Vista and Punto).

Thanks buddy,no disagreement on that . Thats why i was surprised to see the title and thought wow i have to see that . Until i found out its different story altogether.

hemen · 23rd February 2010, 10:12

hey guys! wouldn't the 1.9 pd be very expensive for sx4 , if you are thinking about the crdi range of engines the price difference between them is also quite big. had checked skoda europe's site for laura 1.9pd and 1.6crdi earlier. i don't think sx4 would get a crdi from vw stable.

Ramsagar · 23rd February 2010, 10:34

That would an expensive affair for SX4 having VW 1.9L engine.
If that's true, I'm sure Maruti know the pulse of Indian customers. Will workout a cost effective way of providing good A$$ for these engines.
Need not worry as far as it is in the hands of Maruti.

Baleno4397 · 23rd February 2010, 11:26

SX4 is an indian car. I don't think they would go for a 1.9 engine from VW -- rather, they shouldn't be. Average Indians go for Maruti products (IMHO) and I think it would be a little harsh on us to maintain an expensive, trouble prone engine. We might have to sell our kidneys to maintain it

On the other hand, Maruti should be thinking of getting the same engine that powers Cruze. I think this is a pretty bad move. :(

rjalihal · 23rd February 2010, 16:34

1.6 Diesel engine will be sourced from Fiat it self. But that will take time. Jetta engine in SX4 may not be technically feasible i feel.

20th February 2010, 11:44	#1
muke31 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 191 Thanked: 21 Times	SX4 to come with VW Jetta Diesel engine? While i was talking with one of the Maruti dealer's salesman, he was talking about SX4 coming up with VW engine that too with Jetta Diesel engine. he also mentioned that Fiat is not unable or not willing to provide 1.6 or 1.9 MultiJet engine to Suzuki fearing SX4 with multiJet will hit Linea sales in India. he also mentioned that the pricing will be on higher side and the expected timeline is 6 months. not sure how true is this statement. -MUKE
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20th February 2010, 12:49	#2
ajmat Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 15,022 Thanked: 29,461 Times View My Garage	It will take a while to engineer the car though
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20th February 2010, 12:58	#3
Car-e-ok BHPian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: New Orleans Posts: 222 Thanked: 21 Times	ok. i thought the other way around. That somebody has purchased a totalled VW jetta(engine working) and installed the engine in SX4 and now posting pics about that.but seems like its different story altogether
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20th February 2010, 13:38	#4
.anshuman Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Good-Gaon Posts: 7,763 Thanked: 11,072 Times View My Garage	The existing Jetta PD engine is loud and expensive to maintain, Sx4 might come with a VW diesel in distant future but i dont think Suzuki will opt for the outdated PD engine.
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20th February 2010, 15:55	#6
aaggoswami Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Vadodara Posts: 4,987 Thanked: 2,963 Times	1) We are not sure about this news. So its just a sort of speculation, but similar things were heard when a person called me to know whether I am buying car from him or not. I was actually inquiring about the new Wagon R that is supposed to be here before 1st Apr, 2010. 2) About the engine. Its not one of the best units we have seen. Others are performing better than it, are more efficient also. There is no real advantage of this engine. Next, oil eating. At more than one place I have read about this motor eating down engine oil. ACI did come across an early service light, which is against the typical Jap image and this is not how Japanese cars behave. So I am afraid that Maruti might lose its image of "reliable car producers" or the image of Maruti cars being reliable. This single mistake can change it all forever. 3) Service cost. VW is, purely in IMHO, a very conservative and selfish car maker. I am sure that VW will try its best to extract more money out of this deal and the spares for the engine/gearbox might be more expensive, which again is against the image of Maruti Suzuki. I am against this move. If they want to launch a diesel, go for the 2.0 crdi unit from Passat or some other unit like the one found in cruze.
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22nd February 2010, 14:39	#7
ACM Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 4,751 Thanked: 4,378 Times View My Garage	Am sure it won't be the current 1.9PD engine that serves both the Jetta and the Laura. It is good decently powered but noisey, eats oil before the 7.5K to 15K service interval. While the 2.0 engine would make the SX4 a power to recon with. It comes in the passat and the Laura. Ideally they sould be discussing the CRDi unit that VW has and will introduce into the passat later in the year. Overall, the engine options like beyond the 1.9PD would be a mis fit for the SX4 interms of power, and the 1.9PD itself will be heavy on maintenance - possibly.
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22nd February 2010, 21:00	#8
EFF-EIGHT-BEE BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Patiala Posts: 196 Thanked: 113 Times View My Garage	IMHO 1.9PD and SX4 doesn't gel with each other . What i mean to say is when we think of PD, noise comes to mind and japness cars are generaly sielnt cars . Just my opinion
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22nd February 2010, 21:56	#9
setuniket BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Noida\|New Delhi Posts: 245 Thanked: 326 Times	Sorry if this is OT to the topic, didnt knew where to post this, my uncle who works for MSIL is being sent to 'somewhere in Europe' for training this time(Usually its Japan).Does that mean something is cooking between VW and MSIL w.r.t to future launches(I know about the VW-Suzuki alliance) in India. If yes then SX4 diesel with VW engine will actually be true.
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22nd February 2010, 22:53	#10
tsk13 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Delhi Posts: 1,256 Thanked: 362 Times	Car-e-Ok, it's practically impossible to fit the same engine without making major modifications to the physical details. i10 and i20 have the same 1.2L Kappa engine; Vista Turbo, Punto and Swift D have 1.3 Diesel engine but all must be different when it comes to shape and other related physical aspects.(I haven't checked the engines of Vista and Punto).
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23rd February 2010, 10:12	#12
hemen BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bombay Posts: 91 Thanked: 49 Times	hey guys! wouldn't the 1.9 pd be very expensive for sx4 , if you are thinking about the crdi range of engines the price difference between them is also quite big. had checked skoda europe's site for laura 1.9pd and 1.6crdi earlier. i don't think sx4 would get a crdi from vw stable.
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23rd February 2010, 10:34	#13
Ramsagar Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: BLR_Nellore(AP) Posts: 1,396 Thanked: 253 Times View My Garage	That would an expensive affair for SX4 having VW 1.9L engine. If that's true, I'm sure Maruti know the pulse of Indian customers. Will workout a cost effective way of providing good A$$ for these engines. Need not worry as far as it is in the hands of Maruti. Last edited by Ramsagar : 23rd February 2010 at 10:35.
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23rd February 2010, 11:26	#14
Baleno4397 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 23 Thanked: 0 Times	SX4 is an indian car. I don't think they would go for a 1.9 engine from VW -- rather, they shouldn't be. Average Indians go for Maruti products (IMHO) and I think it would be a little harsh on us to maintain an expensive, trouble prone engine. We might have to sell our kidneys to maintain it On the other hand, Maruti should be thinking of getting the same engine that powers Cruze. I think this is a pretty bad move. :(
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23rd February 2010, 16:34	#15
rjalihal BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 714 Thanked: 100 Times	1.6 Diesel engine will be sourced from Fiat it self. But that will take time. Jetta engine in SX4 may not be technically feasible i feel.
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