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Originally Posted by amit How much? |
To get the same performance, and as already illustrated, bank on 1.3 lakhs in the aftermarket or 2.0 lakhs (if previous OEM turbo installs are anything to go by). The point is : Since you wish to add a pure number to everything, the performance factor along takes care of the price differential of the Honda City versus the Linea. Of course, that's not even counting the brand, the all roundedness nature of the car, the fit / finish, long term reliability etc.
And do attach some numbers to niggles of Fiats as well. You know first hand of how the Linea as well as the SX4 have their own share of niggles. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, my OHC has ZERO niggles today, something that nearly new Fiats cannot match.
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Then also attach cost to high speed stability. Surely a Linea and Fiesta would feel better and more stable then a City at 150kmph.
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Oh please, give me another. The OHC is horrible at even 120 kph, but (and check various reviews or drive the car yourself), the ANHC has good stability at 150 kph. No, its not in the league of the Linea which is the class-topper when it comes to stability, but neither does it make you feel deprived / scared (example as in the OHC). One of the major advantages of the ANHC WRT previous City generations has been the substantial increase in high speed stability. Definitely not a deal breaker from any angle.
To quote Vivekji05, who is an extremely unbiased BHPian + professional reviewer, and praises Honda as much as he criticises them:
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The stability is great as speeds rise. The steering which was on the lighter side in the city roads felt heavy on the highway in nearly the same way a good steering should. There was no hint of nervousness even when changing lanes at triple digit speeds. I saw 150kmph coming up from time to time but it felt more like 120kmph. You dont get the excitement of going faster than you really are, say in a Fiesta 1.6 but it is still fun.
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If you think all Jap cars are unstable at high speed, you need to update yourself. I've just had a high speed run in the Civic on sunday and believe me, it was not unstable at triple digits at all (PM me to know the actual speed
). Of course, the facelift has gotten itself a stiffer rear suspension but believe me, it is one of the most enjoyable cars to drive at high speed : steering, braking and handling included.
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That's easy. How much more mileage does a Honda actually give compared to Verna, Fiesta , Linea. Money saved will be the value attached to better mileage.
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At the least, 1 - 1.5 kpl more than the Linea in the same driving conditions. Can't argue with physics, the engine is more efficient, better technology and the car is lighter too!
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Of course, Honda's have better resale compared to non-Honda and non-Japanese petrols. But how much? Will a 5 year old ANHC fetch 2.5 Lakhs more then a 5 year old Linea , 2.10 lakh more then a 5 year old Verna?
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At the least 1.5 lakhs differential on a 5 year old ANHC versus a petrol Linea, if not 2.5 lakhs. Again, both these cars are new, yet 10 years of history provides for a pretty reliable sample size. 99% of the Euro petrols in our market have been resale duds. It's a hard hitting fact. Not only due to the nature of Euro petrols, but also the fact that the Linea diesel is so darn competent / driveable / fuel efficient. A majority of the Linea sales do come from the diesel so its pretty obvious where the market preferences lie.
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Compared to Linea, yes. But compared to Verna?
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The fit, finish and the way that they are put together are sheer precision, not like the mis-aligned parts & varying panel gaps of the Linea. As indicated in the first post, the Verna does match the Honda City in fit / finish. Please understand that, again, we are talking about an all-rounder here.....the fact that the Honda City is no.1 in many areas, mid-pack in some and last in few. No one is stating that it is better than competition in ALL areas (e.g. the interior fit finish superiority to Linea & SX4, not to the Verna).
Glad you agree, we all know that the trust factor in a brand is imperative, and one of the reasons that Maruti, Hyundai, Honda, Toyota etc. etc. can charge higher prices for their products. Why cars, extend the same to most other products & services that we buy.
Good thing is, the market rewards those who have taken care of them, thus making the lesser established work harder. Just ask BMW, and what they had to go through, to match Mercedes Benz'.
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But not a patch on the Linea and maybe even Fiesta.
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Do take the time out to test the Fiesta. The ANHC's ride quality is better than the Fiesta's. Not a patch on the Linea, but of course, who is debating that? Look up the opening post again which is a purely objective view and has given the Linea what it deserved for ride & handling. No one can call the ANHC's ride quality bad or one that leaves you wishing for more. It does the job and is ranked 2nd to direct competition.
Price of all-roundedness? Ask the customers. It's very clear that the ANHC, even at a higher price, gives you
a more complete package compared to the SX4, Verna & Linea (in that order due to sales stats). Sure, we'd all love to buy a different car which is best in each parameter (i.e. one for performance, one for ride, one for features and so on). But if I want one that excels in most areas, and is mid-pack in others, it is the ANHC.
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Originally Posted by psp62in But are we not contradicting ourselves here? There has been a long discussion in another thread on why it should not be considered so important |
I have always insisted that resale value IS VERY IMPORTANT to the buying decision, and in calculating overall cost of ownership of the car. Shoddy resale value can entirely negate, by 2 - 3 times, any money that you'd saved at the time of initial acquition. Take ANY example : The money you save in a Palio vis a vis competitors is negated at the time of resale, an Innova diesel will cost you only a lakh more than the petrol, yet at the time of resale, the difference will be substantially more. Or even the Skoda petrols versus diesels! Sometimes, the resale value can cost you more than the price of fuel, both of which the ANHC is best in.
Please do spend some time reading up
Ajmat's excellent discussion.
I hold on to my cars for 10+ years, so it does not matter as much to me, but the fact is : A majority of the market changes their cars at the 4 - 5 year interval and resale value ought to be of PARAMOUNT importance to them.
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Originally Posted by navin The monetary value for these intangables cannot be quantified by me, you or anyone else. Each of us will add our own value to these intangables. Hence the only yardstick one can use for the percieved value of these intangables is the long term (3 years) sales figures of the City vs it's competiion. I do not think the ANHC will do too bad in this department (based on the sales of the NHC and the OHC vs their respective competition). |
Let's not overlook the fact that it is actual ownership experiences & the resultant word of mouth that make a brand too.