City gets some Civic sense, Civic gets a new sense.

Floyd de Souza · 23rd September 2009, 20:09

Don't know if this is the right place to post this. Can anyone confirm whether upsizing the tyres in the Honda City will void the warranty? Say 175/65 R15 to 185/60 R15 or 195/60 R15. I have been trying to get this answer from at least three different Honda dealers and their regional office but no one seems to give a clear answer.

amidoc · 23rd September 2009, 21:54

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Originally Posted by Floyd de Souza

Don't know if this is the right place to post this. Can anyone confirm whether upsizing the tyres in the Honda City will void the warranty? Say 175/65 R15 to 185/60 R15 or 195/60 R15. I have been trying to get this answer from at least three different Honda dealers and their regional office but no one seems to give a clear answer.

hi I have upgraded the tire size to 195/60 R 15 and also put after market alloy wheels. After that just got my second service done. Had no issues regarding warranty. No one at the service centre even brought up the issue. The drive becomes much better with the broader tires, but be prepared for a stiffer ride in the city. that can be compensated by lowering the tire pressure by 2 psi. There is no tire size available such as 185/60 R 15 locally. In case you do find one please do inform me.

tsk13 · 23rd September 2009, 22:09

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Originally Posted by ImmortalZ

This alloy is what was offered as the option on the City when it was launched. But the alloys that now come standard look similar to Civic wheels IIRC.

This wasn't the option, it was a different design altogether.

zoom2_ash · 24th September 2009, 10:06

I checked the new Civic couple of days back and deccan honda sales manager confirmed that the rear suspension has been improved in this new version and the problem of scrapping the speed breakers will not be faced any more. He was not sure about the exact changes made in the suspension setup but he was sure that changes have been done to address the issue. I am yet to take a test drive, may be after that I can confirm it.

Floyd de Souza · 24th September 2009, 10:14

Offhand, I know that Apollo and Yokohama have 185/60 R15 available here

psp62in · 25th September 2009, 17:33

Was just checking the ANHC details and noticed that the brouchure and the website mention only ABS + BA. Nothing is mentioned about EBD.

(On the other hand, the Honda website for other countries e.g. Australia, clearly mentions presence of EBD).

Even Honda India advertizes presence of EBD on Jazz and Civic.

I would conclude form the above that ANHC does not have EBD.

Knowing the advantages of EBD, has Honda shortcharged the Indian customers then?

tsk13 · 26th September 2009, 20:50

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Originally Posted by ImmortalZ

This alloy is what was offered as the option on the City when it was launched. But the alloys that now come standard look similar to Civic wheels IIRC.

Sorry to quote your post again, but fortunately I saw a City with the Indian Alloys which were a part of the Honda Accessories.

ImmortalZ · 26th September 2009, 21:36

I know. I saw one back when it was launched. Someone had ordered a red ANHC with literally everything in the accessories book. I got mistaken - looks oddly similar.

psp62in · 26th September 2009, 21:37

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Originally Posted by psp62in

Was just checking the ANHC details and noticed that the brouchure and the website mention only ABS + BA. Nothing is mentioned about EBD.

(On the other hand, the Honda website for other countries e.g. Australia, clearly mentions presence of EBD).

Even Honda India advertizes presence of EBD on Jazz and Civic.

I would conclude form the above that ANHC does not have EBD.

Knowing the advantages of EBD, has Honda shortcharged the Indian customers then?

EDIT: Honda has now confirmed to me that EBD is a standard feature on ANHC.

EssYouWe · 27th September 2009, 00:09

Lol @ the guy who said ANHC >= Altis.

I test drove the ANHC when it was launched and was thoroughly disappointed with the ride quality. The engine however was an instant charmer. I absolutely loved the way it picked up without the slightest strain showing.
I test drove both the AT and MT versions, I saw the fall in performance in the AT v/s the MT to be somewhat disconcerting, even though the AT was brand new (<200km).

I recently observed that I preferred Linea's interiors to the ANHC's. (Don't flame me! Its just a personal opinion)

IMHO the 1.6 Linea could be pitted against the Altis but not the ANHC for sure.

Looking fwd to a TD on the new Civic and City.

mkc15 · 27th September 2009, 09:13

Was looking at ARAI fuel efficiency figures on Honda website for City and Civic. City MT vs AT is only -0.4, whereas Civic MT vs AT is -2.4. I believe City's AT = Civic AT + minor enhancements (software). Isn't this true or does City come with automated manual (i-Shift) ?

If both are same, is Civic's low-end torque the only culprit for low FE ?

Caramelo · 28th September 2009, 04:22

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Originally Posted by mkc15

Was looking at ARAI fuel efficiency figures on Honda website for City and Civic. City MT vs AT is only -0.4, whereas Civic MT vs AT is -2.4. I believe City's AT = Civic AT + minor enhancements (software). Isn't this true or does City come with automated manual (i-Shift) ?

If both are same, is Civic's low-end torque the only culprit for low FE ?

there are two different engines. the weight of the car is different too. it all counts don't compare these two!! for fuel efficency. its just wrong imo.

gear box do get changes from time to time and model launches. !! maybe city has the improved one. who know the face lifted civic has these changes too! maybe the fuel eco may improve!

mkc15 · 28th September 2009, 08:29

Caramelo, yes I agree. I was not comparing the two as such; was comparing only the delta (MT - AT) FE figures. I thought City has the same(mechanically) gearbox as in Civic, hence the question. Its probably not true.

srishiva · 28th September 2009, 08:40

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Originally Posted by EssYouWe

Lol @ the guy who said ANHC >= Altis.

I test drove the ANHC when it was launched and was thoroughly disappointed with the ride quality. The engine however was an instant charmer. I absolutely loved the way it picked up without the slightest strain showing.
I test drove both the AT and MT versions, I saw the fall in performance in the AT v/s the MT to be somewhat disconcerting, even though the AT was brand new (<200km).

I recently observed that I preferred Linea's interiors to the ANHC's. (Don't flame me! Its just a personal opinion)

IMHO the 1.6 Linea could be pitted against the Altis but not the ANHC for sure.

Looking fwd to a TD on the new Civic and City.

I dont think either ANHC or Linea can be compared to Corolla which is in a different league. Linea with a bigger engine will not give you a bigger car.

Regarding the ANHC ride quality, it seems like the conversion from hatch to sedan has disturbed some attributes of the Jazz. If the trunk is not a big issue, the Jazz is a real good car.

Need4Spd · 28th September 2009, 10:45

Just had a very interesting conversation with a friend who works at a Honda dealer. Honda management has issued a pre-delivery recall for the City09 edition in the two colors polished metal Grey and white because of transmission issues. these cars had left the plant and were being dispatched when honda pulled them back due to engine/transmission "issues". That made me curious as to what the color of the Engine had to do with the engine put in it? The explanation being offered was that that series of faulty parts only went into those two colored cars...

23rd September 2009, 20:09	#361
Floyd de Souza BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 320 Thanked: 226 Times	Don't know if this is the right place to post this. Can anyone confirm whether upsizing the tyres in the Honda City will void the warranty? Say 175/65 R15 to 185/60 R15 or 195/60 R15. I have been trying to get this answer from at least three different Honda dealers and their regional office but no one seems to give a clear answer.
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24th September 2009, 10:06	#364
zoom2_ash BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Pune Posts: 74 Thanked: 5 Times	I checked the new Civic couple of days back and deccan honda sales manager confirmed that the rear suspension has been improved in this new version and the problem of scrapping the speed breakers will not be faced any more. He was not sure about the exact changes made in the suspension setup but he was sure that changes have been done to address the issue. I am yet to take a test drive, may be after that I can confirm it.
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24th September 2009, 10:14	#365
Floyd de Souza BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 320 Thanked: 226 Times	Offhand, I know that Apollo and Yokohama have 185/60 R15 available here
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25th September 2009, 17:33	#366
psp62in BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 185 Thanked: 23 Times	Absence of EBD on ANHC Was just checking the ANHC details and noticed that the brouchure and the website mention only ABS + BA. Nothing is mentioned about EBD. (On the other hand, the Honda website for other countries e.g. Australia, clearly mentions presence of EBD). Even Honda India advertizes presence of EBD on Jazz and Civic. I would conclude form the above that ANHC does not have EBD. Knowing the advantages of EBD, has Honda shortcharged the Indian customers then?
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26th September 2009, 21:36	#368
ImmortalZ Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 2,195 Thanked: 600 Times View My Garage	I know. I saw one back when it was launched. Someone had ordered a red ANHC with literally everything in the accessories book. I got mistaken - looks oddly similar.
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27th September 2009, 00:09	#370
EssYouWe Senior - BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lucknow Posts: 1,391 Thanked: 18 Times	Lol @ the guy who said ANHC >= Altis. I test drove the ANHC when it was launched and was thoroughly disappointed with the ride quality. The engine however was an instant charmer. I absolutely loved the way it picked up without the slightest strain showing. I test drove both the AT and MT versions, I saw the fall in performance in the AT v/s the MT to be somewhat disconcerting, even though the AT was brand new (<200km). I recently observed that I preferred Linea's interiors to the ANHC's. (Don't flame me! Its just a personal opinion) IMHO the 1.6 Linea could be pitted against the Altis but not the ANHC for sure. Looking fwd to a TD on the new Civic and City.
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27th September 2009, 09:13	#371
mkc15 BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 317 Thanked: 94 Times	Was looking at ARAI fuel efficiency figures on Honda website for City and Civic. City MT vs AT is only -0.4, whereas Civic MT vs AT is -2.4. I believe City's AT = Civic AT + minor enhancements (software). Isn't this true or does City come with automated manual (i-Shift) ? If both are same, is Civic's low-end torque the only culprit for low FE ?
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28th September 2009, 08:29	#373
mkc15 BHPian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 317 Thanked: 94 Times	Caramelo, yes I agree. I was not comparing the two as such; was comparing only the delta (MT - AT) FE figures. I thought City has the same(mechanically) gearbox as in Civic, hence the question. Its probably not true.
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28th September 2009, 10:45	#375
Need4Spd BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 32 Thanked: Once	Polished Metal and White - City Just had a very interesting conversation with a friend who works at a Honda dealer. Honda management has issued a pre-delivery recall for the City09 edition in the two colors polished metal Grey and white because of transmission issues. these cars had left the plant and were being dispatched when honda pulled them back due to engine/transmission "issues". That made me curious as to what the color of the Engine had to do with the engine put in it? The explanation being offered was that that series of faulty parts only went into those two colored cars...
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