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Originally Posted by vista_qjd @anmol2k4 your ignorance is just just coming out loud in your post. I would have thought someone like you would be better informed given that you are a member of TBHP, but looks like you are just here to give your 2 cents of nonsense. Please read around and understand that Vista is a COMPLETELY different platform and the only thing in common with v2 is the name tag in part. So my friend, before posting, ensure that you read around and are better informed before passing along your ignorance. so let me have the last laugh here. |
* This is my stance, if you think that it is nonsense then so be it. I still believe that Vista is evolutionary update to older Indica. There is a reason why it is called
Indica Vista, there is a reason why it looks so similar to older Indica and sells for almost same price. Sure it is completely new platform, that is why i called it an
evolutionary update like Monkey > Humans. The car have same DNA.
This my stance. You can
as much as you like.
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Originally Posted by greenhorn well, let me break it to you . The only thing which is common and evolutionary between the two cars is the styling, name , and TDi powerplant. The indica v2, the 2004 and 2007 updates, the xeta and the turbo and the dicor were evolutionary updates.The proof in that is that you can swap parts between them. Engines, suspension, body panels, ORVMS, bumpers etc, and people have.
On the other hand. the vista is very much all new. The chassis, the construction, the suspension, the transmission, the interiors, qjd and petrol engines are entirely new.The only thing from the vista i was able to fit onto my indica were the wheelcaps( I already have the TDI engine) . If what you say is true, i would be the first person in line for a QJD engine swap into my indica. Or the rear suspension swap - one is independent, the other is not.
It is such misinformation that adds to the ignorance of the general public and the lack of sales. At least as a member of tbhp, one would think you would be aware of this.
So just because tata does not rip people off like other manufacturers, you think that their products are not good enough? You sir, are the ideal honda customer, to think that higher price = better car
if any other manufacturer were to launch the vista , I'm sure that they would have priced is in the premium price point. Tata has issues with service and their dealers - I'll grant you that, and thats probably why they price it less to compensate. But let there be no doubt about the value or induviduality of the Vista as a product |
I agree with you completely, the reason i chose the words "evolutionary update" is because the DNA-USP-Brand in the newer Indica is intact. It is a fact that it is a new car, but not completely as it is the latest evolution of **Indica**. Revolutionary updates would be like the Suzuki's Altos.
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Originally Posted by sanagg1 @ anmol
How about economies of scale ?
Depreciated plant & machinery etc.
I thought they reduce cost of production
cheers |
Agreed, that is why we should only compare the price of Indica in 1998 with todays Vista.
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Originally Posted by RX135 Tata Motors obviously thinks different than you.
That's the reason why 2009 Indica Xeta/DiCOR/Turbo retail at least 50,000-1,00,000 cheaper than Indica Vista. Tata wants Vista to compete with other premium hatches like Swift/Punto/i20/Ritz. Indica Xeta/Turbo are meant to compete with entry level hatches like Santro/Wagon-R.
BTW, logic of inflation doesn't really work. Santro/Wagon-R have been selling around same price for a long while. In fact, prices have taken a dip in some cases. The competition is fiercer than it was 10 years back.
Vista would do well without Indica tag, though it is hard to shed that unless it is an entirely different looking car. |
* You are comparing 10 year old platform with 1 year old platform. If Tata were thinking differently they wouldn't have designed Vista to look so much like older Indica, they wouldn't have priced-positioned it similarly and of course they wouldn't have named it
Indica. And if you think that Vista/Swift/Punto/i20/Ritz are premium hatchbacks then what do you think Fabia Beetle 500 Jazz are ?.
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Originally Posted by arunpn Like for example what Maruti Suzuki does. They have two names for same car, Alto was upgraded but in India it is called A-Star and old Alto continues to be sold and when Wagon-R was upgraded for foreign market, it was renamed as Zen Estillo for Indian market and old Wagon-R is still being sold. |
Why should Tata imitate Maruti and not VW Fiat BMW ?
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Originally Posted by BlackPearl So what, maruti brings cars to India which are updates of existing models and still name them differently. Why should Tata hold on to the "Indica" brand name? |
Because Tata is not Maruti.
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Originally Posted by BlackPearl One more thing that I did not understand is why it is wrong to criticize any particular thing we do not like. |
* Both of us are entitled to our own opinion.
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Indica was getting old, and it needed update, and Tata did what was necessary.
They played it safe, somewhat like VW-Beetle Fiat-500 BMW-Mini etc etc, and unlike Maruti.
Vista is a new car,but it was designed as a newer Indica. That is why it is called Indica.
And for same reason i called it an evolutionary update.
Nonsense or not, but this is my opinion.