Fabia Elegance 1.2 MPI

devarshi84 · 23rd February 2009, 13:49

I have heard good things about Hyundai but I will not write off Skoda based on peoples perceptions. Fabia owners are enjoying their cars with not much to complain about as of now.

Yes sales are low because of the perception that fabia is expensive. Many still dont know what it costs.

Screwdriva · 23rd February 2009, 14:28

You seem to have your definitions jumbled. Perceptions can be based on fact as well.

Fact: Skoda Fabia can cost up to 8.5+ Lacs on the Road

Fact: Skoda's cheapest variant costs approximately 5.4 Lacs on the Road but is devoid of several creature comforts.

Fact: Skoda Fabia Petrol's cost of ownership is higher than any other small car sold in India

As to Fabia owners enjoying their cars, what else can they do? They've spent a ridiculous amount of money on a car that is worth 2 lacs less than they've spent on it.

devarshi84 · 23rd February 2009, 18:16

Fact?

Do you own a Skoda?

naikpranav · 23rd February 2009, 20:56

You seem to have your definitions jumbled. Perceptions can be based on fact as well.

Fact: Skoda Fabia can cost up to 8.5+ Lacs on the Road
it does, but what do you get in it that you don't get in other hatches ?

Fact: Skoda's cheapest variant costs approximately 5.4 Lacs on the Road but is devoid of several creature comforts.
Devoid of what ? it has the mirrors with remote movement, airbags, all the lamps, central locking, power windows, adjustable seats and steering, rear wash and wipe, rear defogger, IMO even the higher versions of cars don't give things that are "Really" needed just to cut costs and make sure customers buy the top version, atleast they give you the bare necessities.

Fact: Skoda Fabia Petrol's cost of ownership is higher than any other small car sold in India
how do you know that ? its not even been on the streets for a year, I have spent less on the diesel on periodic maintainence than my swift D and Wagon R, not taking fuel into account

As to Fabia owners enjoying their cars, what else can they do? They've spent a ridiculous amount of money on a car that is worth 2 lacs less than they've spent on it.
When you drive it, you don't need to even think of the extra two lac or 2 rupees that you spent on it, it feels worth everything and much more.

devarshi84 · 24th February 2009, 01:43

I do agree that Skoda messed up big time when they launched the car but now they seem to have revised the pricing. Since the issue of spares hasnt come up from the owners lets not speculate about it. I Find Fabia to be as desirable as other cars as of now minus the looks.

Tumbler · 24th February 2009, 07:38

i20, made in India is, but a few thousands less than the Ambiente 1.2. So whats the commotion of high pricing. If so, then Hyndai is as guilty if not more. Everyone deserves a second chance, so...

Screwdriva · 24th February 2009, 09:13

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Originally Posted by devarshi84

Do you own a Skoda?

Actually no. I drive a Benz. But I did pay a deposit cheque to Autobahn Skoda, even before the public had seen the Fabia. Then, we went saw it at their warehouse, we asked for a refund immediately. It was THAT disappointing

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Originally Posted by naikpranav

it does, but what do you get in it that you don't get in other hatches ?

Actually, with the launch of the i20 thats no longer true. Quite the opposite I'd say. And what's your point? That you don't need the items sold in the overpriced Elegance version or that the items sold in it make it worth the money? ?

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Originally Posted by naikpranav

Fact: Skoda Fabia Petrol's cost of ownership is higher than any other small car sold in India
how do you know that ?

Actually, I specified petrol factoring fuel efficiency and cost of spares. I didn't factor in shady dealerships, but that only adds fuel to the fire. The fabia is the least fuel efficient hatch on the road, going by fuel efficiency reports and owners who are still shell shocked by their 9.5-10 kms/l they get AND spare part prices are not cheap. I have a cost list of basic items from when I nearly bought the car a year ago.

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Originally Posted by naikpranav

When you drive it, you don't need to even think of the extra two lac or 2 rupees that you spent on it, it feels worth everything and much more.

Kudos to you then. Some would call that bliss. Some would call it denial.

devarshi84 · 24th February 2009, 10:13

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Originally Posted by Tumbler

i20, made in India is, but a few thousands less than the Ambiente 1.2. So whats the commotion of high pricing. If so, then Hyndai is as guilty if not more. Everyone deserves a second chance, so...

to me I20 looks better though. Both Swift and Fabia have these design cues which I dont like.

nanopano · 24th February 2009, 17:08

Fabia Elegance! Is this the new variant of the car?

Fountainheader · 24th February 2009, 17:37

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Originally Posted by nanopano

Fabia Elegance! Is this the new variant of the car?

New variant with the 1.2 Engine. It was earlier available in the 1.4 avatar.

martin · 24th February 2009, 17:49

The Fabia has the best ride quality in the hatch segment. Even though the engine is years slower than the competition (i20 and the Swift) the ride and handling in the city as well as on the highway compensate for the performance glitch.

I suggest the Fabia 1.2 is the best buy in the compact car segment in India today.

Mpower · 24th February 2009, 18:08

A Fabia makes sense when you can think of it as a car used for everyday city driving..irrespective of weather its a hatch or a sedan or an SUV or the number of cylinders. Its has 4 doors, 4 seats and does everything a sedan does except it cannot fit as much luggage.

Think about it..when was the last time you filled up you boot to the max..and how many times a year does that happen.

devarshi84 · 24th February 2009, 20:49

How will the Fabia Elegance 1.2 compare to the Swift ZXI on features and price?

Ash_vtec · 25th February 2009, 08:21

Actually pretty sad that they discontinued the 1.4 fabia. I bought one at the launch, as an urban commuter, and its doing extremely well (touchwood).
Its a compact bundle of all of skodas values, and calling it refined is an understatement. Pity Indians love only diesels and their faulty perceptions that a large petrol is a gas guzzler. Its presently returning b/w 12.6 & 13.2 KMPL in town, and the a/c is never off. Its give or take as fast as a stock swift (driven one extensively) and the features it offers are unmatched. The accord does not have most of them !
it runs BEST on 91 octane, and 13.2 kmpl @ 48.8 rs a litre is not too high a price to pay for commuting in such comfort IMO.

joslicx · 25th February 2009, 10:17

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Originally Posted by Ash_vtec

Actually pretty sad that they discontinued the 1.4 fabia. I bought one at the launch, as an urban commuter, and its doing extremely well (touchwood).
Its a compact bundle of all of skodas values, and calling it refined is an understatement. Pity Indians love only diesels and their faulty perceptions that a large petrol is a gas guzzler. Its presently returning b/w 12.6 & 13.2 KMPL in town, and the a/c is never off. Its give or take as fast as a stock swift (driven one extensively) and the features it offers are unmatched. The accord does not have most of them !
it runs BEST on 91 octane, and 13.2 kmpl @ 48.8 rs a litre is not too high a price to pay for commuting in such comfort IMO.

I did a test drive of Fabia 1.2 Ambiente this weekend. I asked the Skoda executive about Skoda's reasons for discontinuing the 1.4 Petrol. The answer was India's petrol is not good enough for their engine so they had so many problems with that car!!! Think about it! Skoda is genius.

While I liked the car but it is definitely overpriced and doesnt give same luxury feeling (as the likes of NHC, 1.4 Petrol Elegance used to cost the same). And Skodas have a history of screwing (pardon the word but is there a better word in English than this) their customers.

I didnt feel anything special about the car!

23rd February 2009, 13:49	#16
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 213 Times View My Garage	I have heard good things about Hyundai but I will not write off Skoda based on peoples perceptions. Fabia owners are enjoying their cars with not much to complain about as of now. Yes sales are low because of the perception that fabia is expensive. Many still dont know what it costs. Last edited by devarshi84 : 23rd February 2009 at 14:01.
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23rd February 2009, 14:28	#17
Screwdriva BHPian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: London/ Bombay Posts: 586 Thanked: 532 Times View My Garage	You seem to have your definitions jumbled. Perceptions can be based on fact as well. Fact: Skoda Fabia can cost up to 8.5+ Lacs on the Road Fact: Skoda's cheapest variant costs approximately 5.4 Lacs on the Road but is devoid of several creature comforts. Fact: Skoda Fabia Petrol's cost of ownership is higher than any other small car sold in India As to Fabia owners enjoying their cars, what else can they do? They've spent a ridiculous amount of money on a car that is worth 2 lacs less than they've spent on it.
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devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 213 Times View My Garage	Fact? Do you own a Skoda?
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23rd February 2009, 20:56	#19
naikpranav BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mumbai, Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 158 Thanked: 31 Times	You seem to have your definitions jumbled. Perceptions can be based on fact as well. Fact: Skoda Fabia can cost up to 8.5+ Lacs on the Road it does, but what do you get in it that you don't get in other hatches ? Fact: Skoda's cheapest variant costs approximately 5.4 Lacs on the Road but is devoid of several creature comforts. Devoid of what ? it has the mirrors with remote movement, airbags, all the lamps, central locking, power windows, adjustable seats and steering, rear wash and wipe, rear defogger, IMO even the higher versions of cars don't give things that are "Really" needed just to cut costs and make sure customers buy the top version, atleast they give you the bare necessities. Fact: Skoda Fabia Petrol's cost of ownership is higher than any other small car sold in India how do you know that ? its not even been on the streets for a year, I have spent less on the diesel on periodic maintainence than my swift D and Wagon R, not taking fuel into account As to Fabia owners enjoying their cars, what else can they do? They've spent a ridiculous amount of money on a car that is worth 2 lacs less than they've spent on it. When you drive it, you don't need to even think of the extra two lac or 2 rupees that you spent on it, it feels worth everything and much more.
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24th February 2009, 01:43	#20
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 213 Times View My Garage	I do agree that Skoda messed up big time when they launched the car but now they seem to have revised the pricing. Since the issue of spares hasnt come up from the owners lets not speculate about it. I Find Fabia to be as desirable as other cars as of now minus the looks.
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24th February 2009, 07:38	#21
Tumbler BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 54 Thanked: 66 Times	Perceptions can change i20, made in India is, but a few thousands less than the Ambiente 1.2. So whats the commotion of high pricing. If so, then Hyndai is as guilty if not more. Everyone deserves a second chance, so... Attached Images
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nanopano BHPian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 110 Thanked: 0 Times	Fabia Elegance! Is this the new variant of the car?
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24th February 2009, 17:49	#26
martin Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 5 Thanked: 0 Times	The Fabia has the best ride quality in the hatch segment. Even though the engine is years slower than the competition (i20 and the Swift) the ride and handling in the city as well as on the highway compensate for the performance glitch. I suggest the Fabia 1.2 is the best buy in the compact car segment in India today.
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24th February 2009, 18:08	#27
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,399 Thanked: 1,735 Times View My Garage	A Fabia makes sense when you can think of it as a car used for everyday city driving..irrespective of weather its a hatch or a sedan or an SUV or the number of cylinders. Its has 4 doors, 4 seats and does everything a sedan does except it cannot fit as much luggage. Think about it..when was the last time you filled up you boot to the max..and how many times a year does that happen.
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24th February 2009, 20:49	#28
devarshi84 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ahmedabad - Tor Posts: 4,024 Thanked: 213 Times View My Garage	How will the Fabia Elegance 1.2 compare to the Swift ZXI on features and price?
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25th February 2009, 08:21	#29
Ash_vtec BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: BLR Posts: 384 Thanked: 368 Times	Actually pretty sad that they discontinued the 1.4 fabia. I bought one at the launch, as an urban commuter, and its doing extremely well (touchwood). Its a compact bundle of all of skodas values, and calling it refined is an understatement. Pity Indians love only diesels and their faulty perceptions that a large petrol is a gas guzzler. Its presently returning b/w 12.6 & 13.2 KMPL in town, and the a/c is never off. Its give or take as fast as a stock swift (driven one extensively) and the features it offers are unmatched. The accord does not have most of them ! it runs BEST on 91 octane, and 13.2 kmpl @ 48.8 rs a litre is not too high a price to pay for commuting in such comfort IMO.
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