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Originally Posted by StarScream should have had one or two of these: fog lights, alloys, CD player, alarm system. |
"One of these" : Rs. 5,000 (alarm system). "Two of these" : Rs. 10,000 (Basic CD player + alarm or fogs). Sure, I can see how the lack of Rs. 10,000 worth in accessories can make a car look over-priced. 10K BTW is 1.3% of the value of the car, so even if it is over-priced (by your perspective), that's a pretty minute percentage. There is a subtle (yet significant difference) between a car lacking features vis a vis an overpriced one. The Fabia is filled to the brim in features, yet is woefully overpriced. The Accord is a superbly priced luxury sedan, but lacks in certain features.
The market didn't really think that the NHC was too overpriced. The car was a stellar success at the time of its launch, in mid-life and even toward the final months of production (end 2008)! Simply put, the NHC gave its target segment EXACTLY what they were looking for at a price that they thought is reasonable. It was, after all, the segment leader throughout its lifespan. As much as I love the ANHC, it is not a fitting replacement for the overtly practical NHC.
Does Honda charge a premium for its cars? Of course YES (and so does Toyota). Honda have learnt with the Civic that they can't always get away with it.
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Originally Posted by lancer_rit Not really. You forget Fusion and Optra SRV:-) |
You forget that one is already out of production (SRV) while the other is on the verge of, if not already (Fusion). Any comparisons will be a futile exercise.
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The previous 2 have much bigger and powerful engines and they still flopped. So, I don't think having a 1.2l engine in a premium hatch automatically means failure.
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Please search within the forum to know more about their reason of failure. I can assure you that it had little to do with big engines.
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And whats so special about hatchbacks that does not applies to sedans and UVs, may I ask ?
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Again, I am going to have to ask you to get your facts right. Read my prior posts before commenting. I have also clearly stated that ANY premium car (not only a hatch) should NOT have a compromise.
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Why did the NHC iDSI compromise on the engine ?
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Sure did! I'll be the first to tell you that and I did put my money where my mouth is. I bought the outgoing OHC Vtec at a time when the NHC was already in the showrooms. Primary reason : Looks & power.
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Volkswagen sells/used to sell the Passat in Germany with a 1.6l 100bhp engine option - so should I consider it a premium sedan or not ?
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compromised premium sedan. Very much like the Mercedes C180 that was sold in India.
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I don't see why someone wont buy it over a Swift ZXi by paying the difference of features that the swift can only dream of
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As a new member has posted, the ZXI accounts for a small number of the Swifts sales. Plus, the i20s pricing actually brings it bang in Swift diesel territory. When you are competing with the 2nd best selling hatch in the country, and bring lesser power / efficiency / torque & (we can safely presume) resale, you better have a concrete plan chalked out. I am afraid Hyundai doesn't.
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Originally Posted by reppy Well, they want to sell ~1250 cars a month (15k a year). They want to obviously take away Fabia & Swift market-share. |
Even San Storm can take away market share from the Fabia
! That's really not saying something, is it? I hope Hyundai have planned better than to take away market share from the worst selling hatch in the country.
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They're not going after the low-budget buyer in this case.
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I repeat : A 10 - 15% premium is HUGE, even in the 13 lakh segment of Civics & Corollas. The sub-6 lakh price band consists of the most sensitive customers. Market history attests to this fact.
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Wow. Did you TD it or read any reports before coming up with this theory of lesser fuel effiency?
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It's simple physics. A lighter car with approximately the same power will have better efficiency in most cases.
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And yes, people will definitely pay more for a non-Maruti hatchback if it is better built and offers more.
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Sigh, wouldn't the Getz have wished? Many of Marutis products don't have an edge in build quality vis a vis its competitors (look up my Swift / SX4 thread). Still.....
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Maybe it is. But I've driven my cousin's ZXI many times so I know its pretty good.
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Maybe it is? Or isn't it? You need to take a clear stand. Happy to hear that you thought its pretty good, but 90% of Swift owners do complain about the low end torque in the Swift petrol.