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29th April 2008, 01:09 | #61 |
BHPian | I think we should start discussing what we can do about the issues we have. Along with the condition of the roads another thing that we and the country can benefit from is population control. Does anyone have any ideas on what changes we can make to help better the condition the country is in? |
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29th April 2008, 01:51 | #62 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Sorry to interrupt the free flaw (pun intended) of thoughts ,I would like to put in a few more cents and be gone from this thread (this is pointless argument and any body can go on defending their respective POVs till aeons to come.) Quote:
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For the unintiated: Purchase parity: Purchasing power parity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Big Mac index: Big Mac Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Cost of living index:Moscow tops in cost of living; London close behind. They have pdf list of 50 cities as well.None of ours figure in the list.Hopefully because they have lower cost of living. Quote:
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I'm keying these down at 12:47 am, from my LAPTOP, to be posted in an internet forum, acessing internet thru my OTA connection from TATA, this from a not so known village in AP. Ten years back I couldn't have imagined this.My tenth std brother is accessing Yahoo MSGr and Orkut sitting in class thru his mobile via WAP/GPRS. Back when i was in school, even mobiles were yet to be introduced. Recently I did a drive from Chennai to Blore in 3 and half hours flat in a verna, at times even doing 180 indicated. Couldnt have imagined that would be possible 7 or 8 years back. Now if you look at the "plight of someone living in an interior village in UP" you can see not much have changed for him in the past 7-8 years. And yet we are ranting. We the privilleged. We the educated, who work for foreign multinationals for fatten their coffers with the money saved by employing us for a pittance. We the sophisticated, who can spend RS 2500 for 750 ml high energy fuel for our souls.We the liberated who are the first ones to jump at an opportunity to go ONSHORE. We do not qualify to speak this way.Much of the perceived notions about the Govt, and the Ruling machinery is wrong,and needs to be corrected.I am not talking about politicians/police here.Neither am i justifying the corrupted. I am just underlining the fact that there is a silver lining amidst all thos dark clouds and that is becoming more prominent and visible for the elite and the middle class, and not the common man. You should be. There is every reason for you to be. Quote:
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There is an old proverb in malayalam. It says "If ones dad climb on an elephant the son dont get his A$$e$ sore" (Mallus forgive me could not find proper words. Somebody offer to word it better.Please) Quote:
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Now all it takes is to recall all the Indians to their A$$, and reload mentality 1.1 with bugs fixed. On a serious note, If you accept the fundamental difference between Indians And JAPs in the beginnning itself, why offer to compare.And what does this comparison prove? That things are cheaper ther than it is here? Think again. Quote:
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Now how better i can conclude this other than with a JAI HIND ? Last edited by aravindwarrier : 29th April 2008 at 01:53. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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29th April 2008, 02:40 | #63 | |||
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And then cry foul. By failing on your duty asa citizen to make your choice, you automaticaly relinquish your fundamental right to cry crib and complain Quote:
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[Mods pls close this thread this is going nowhere] Last edited by aravindwarrier : 29th April 2008 at 02:51. Reason: toned the language down. | |||
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29th April 2008, 05:52 | #64 |
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| Absolutely well put, Aravind ! Could not have put it better myself...some of the posts/initiatiors in this thread sound like for the lack of a better term "Air-heads". I wouldn't be surprised to see my post deleted. Mods- Do close this thread. This incessant ranting is not really going anywhere. Last edited by RJK : 29th April 2008 at 05:55. |
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29th April 2008, 06:10 | #65 |
BHPian | I have been following this thread religiously and all I have to say is that yes we have a lot of issues in this country, but we definitely have made progress here. We cannot compare India in "certain aspects" to other countries, because our problems are unique. I would like to make a suggestion, instead of closing this thread maybe we can brainstorm and come up with ideas to make things better, I already mentioned this earlier. As a complaint thread it is going nowhere, but maybe as a solutions thread we could come up with some great ideas. |
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29th April 2008, 07:18 | #66 |
Senior - BHPian | Everyone is busy complaining about how expensive a 3 Series or an Accord is in India. How important is that to 99% of the country? Compare the cost of living abroad and in India. I pay $2.75 each way to use the bus in Toronto. BEST has never made me pay for than Rs. 14. Look at the cost of vegetables, of oil, of things that 99% of India really wants and needs. I live fairly close to the airport and pay $40 for a cab to my home. Same thing in Mumbai isn't more than Rs. 250 ever. I pay 300 to get my car washed everyday by hand. I believe a single carwash in Toronto is around $10. Also, its not just about Tata and Mahindra but most industries in India that have really profited from protectionism. Do you think Big Bazaar or for that matter your local grocery store would be anywhere if it had to compete with Walmart from Day 1? Today Big Bazaar is in a position to compete with Walmart in India and thats what it is doing. Its not just these few companies here and there but almost every one of us that was into business in before the economy opened up was given a chance to prosper and develop ourselves during this period. |
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29th April 2008, 07:21 | #67 | |
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If you don't vote, how do you expect politicians to care about what you have to say? Beating the **** out of a cop? hmmm Try doing that anywhere in the world and I assure you you will be behind bars for a long time. | |
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29th April 2008, 07:23 | #68 | |
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Finally some facts!!!! | |
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29th April 2008, 08:24 | #69 | |||||||||||
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Have you ever given a thought to the thousands of farmers who are comitting suicides every year? As you write on your laptop using whatever, a farmer somewhere has comitted suicide but heck why would you care as long as you can use your laptop. Ever thought about the plight of a farmer and what he would have gone through when he burnt himself in a district magistrate's office, for he wanted to transfer the land in the name of his father after death to his name and was asked to pay 5000 Rs as bribe. And when he couldnt, they made him run for 6 months doing nothing, making him take this drastic step, destroying his whole family in process. And you know what's driving this madness for money... its consumerism. Or a biker who was left lying on the road for 2 hours after an accident while the policemen fought over their areas of jurisdiction? And all these incidensts are just a day in life of India in TOI's delhi's edition. Are you the one who reads newspapers or sees the news channels only to know what Rakhi Sawant is upto and that Amitabh Bacchan caught cold? Ever thought what brought this change or shift or sheer ignorance of everything that happening around us? A half hour news bulleten on National Television was much better than 90% of the so called 24X7 news channels. And why do you think this is happening... they only show what we want to see. So a Rakhi Sawant breaking up with her boyfriend, or AB getting cold or whatever crap they call it news takes more importance than grave national issues which are in front of us and will effect us in long run. I can see the change but most of it is not for good for sure when it should have been the other way round. The fact of the matter remains, I still cant go to police and file a FIR without a bribe. And if its grave crime they wont even register a case since it effects their crime graph? There is zero accountability as far as government machinery is concerned. A few days back in TN? 4 babies were killed after being given the government sponsered vacination. A terrorist can get a fake passport in J&K while the officials do away with the bribed money what happens to the soldiers families of all those who are killed in an attack by the same terrorist? Again has anything being done about it... unfortunately No, even when you know that a passport is issued by a certain office in the state and those are the only people responsible for it. Is it so difficult to find the culprit? Quote:
'My son told me about the mafia, he was killed for doing his duty for IOC' Or a certain IIT engineer who was killed when he tried to expose corruption in the golden quadrilateral project martyr S. K. Dubey Case Momentum of martyr SKD not converted to MOVEMENT for WHISTLEBLOWERS by SKDF Have the guilty been booked? Has the root cause taken care off? Do we even remember these people? NO.. Have we ignored their sacrifices completely? Yes. Sad state of affiars... Yes! These multinational pay you more than a government job would ever and there will be rewards and appreciation for all good that you do in the company. Quote:
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Even then, shelter is a problem in all the metros and a salaried individual cannot even think of owning an apartment now a days and with inflation on the rise the day is not far when food will be a luxury for many too. Quote:
And why inspite of all the IIT's and the Infosys and the TCS, we still dont have a Microsoft Windows? The examples are many but I would like to dwell... this post is already very long. Quote:
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29th April 2008, 08:43 | #70 | |||
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29th April 2008, 08:56 | #71 |
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| Arrvind Warrior Sir, I am really sorry for going off topic. I am really sorry for that. But read your post. What effort have you made to talk about the policy? Theory and practicals are different. Theorotically our Microprocessors would have been doing 9GHZ but in practical, there are limitaitons. About facts and figures you have given, well I dont think they came to each and everyone and ask their purchase power. I know its impossible, but these people take samples and then figure out the whole picture with theory. Although I am still in college, please do visit me when you come to Vadodara. I will give you living proof of my facts. About the fuel lost. Well I have an extremely large tank. The thing is about others. One more thing I must admit is that my presentaion is very poor, ( I lose marks in exam for this ) so my point is mis understood by you Arvind Saab. And there are many others also. I am sorry you felt that way. I really love my country thats why harsh words are coming from my keyboard. I have the opportunity to go abroad, but wont be going, but work in this country. Hopefully my dream of owning a car will be never materalized because of great policies. Hopefully, I will always go to vote becuse its my country, but will never get what I deserve. And once again I am sorry for disturbing you Arvind Saab and others, but I dont deserve the right to present myself with poor presentation. Sorry. |
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29th April 2008, 09:07 | #72 | |
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@aravindwarrier : I agree with some of your statements aravindwarrier. But not all of them. And a humble suggestion, don't take it personally. Leave the sarcastic one-liners of rebuttle out of your posts. It will do a world of good to the other significant and relevant points you are trying to make. @jesal : Relax brother. Dont let your better judgements get clouded by the pricing of a car in our country. If the British had still been ruling, we would have been chauffeurs at best, not drivers of our own destiny. You're totally losing the point here by making such statements. Last edited by FlyingSpur : 29th April 2008 at 09:16. | |
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29th April 2008, 09:17 | #73 |
BANNED | I went through all the posts so far and am happy to see that there is genuine concern for this country and its future. Good work out guys! I see that some are agreeing that India is progressing and some disagreeing to that. I feel that in fact both are correct in a way that is why the argument goes on.. We have progressed only a little in terms of basic human development indices's like good potable water, food, sanitation, poverty level, general education, health care and accessibility of connectivity of villages to end consumer markets (cities) which is the point of argument of those arguing the bad state of our country. But when it comes to electronics and facilities in cities we have gone by leaps and bounds in terms of connectivity through telephone, mass transport, educational institutions, consumer goods, shopping malls, jobs, relatively better infrastructure, etc which is the point of those arguing of the good state of our country. Let me tell you what I feel- the first progress is a more meaningful measure of our progress vis-a-vis the developing countries and the latter more of a India shining propaganda. There has been progress in both angles but a minuscule where it really matters to our masses. So who is the culprit? We are, everybody is. Our political system is a immature in terms of governance of a republic in the 21st century but don't doubt, they are Machiavellian in their motivation to safeguard their turf. The people in general are just plain lazy and chauvinistic and morally corrupt in their ideals, so it is a positive feed back loop. The people of a country will always get the government they deserve, so nobody is to blame. Now lets go have beer. cheers: |
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29th April 2008, 09:30 | #74 | ||
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Thats the tune we should sing right? Well thats the reason why most of India sits in the dark ages. If you compare this country to others, or say how others have a better life, you are a traitor, or a noveau rich who does not understand ground realities, or plain ignorant. And why should I blame myself. I contribute enough to this country, and take back very little. MY compatriots in other countries take back much more in terms of healthcare roads infrastructure etc., I pay money to this country in terms of taxes, direct and indirect. That GPRS you talk about, well I pay for that too, and pay service tax on my bill. The mobile I bought had taxes attached to the bill. The car I own as 10% tax paid. The salary I earn I pay tax on that too, What am I getting in return. All this 2kg rice thingy is okay, and makes good arguments at PAGE 3 parties, and all this talk about "Anybody Poor is untouchable blah blah" is good to embaress the middle class, but in the end it comes down to the very basics for me. I pay money, what do I get in return. JAI HIND will not refund the 1500rs I spent on my washing machine because the voltage spiked to 300V. And before you tell me "Look you have a washing machine which 90% of India does not", I would like to tell you "Sorry, not my fault". Last edited by tsk1979 : 29th April 2008 at 09:32. | ||
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29th April 2008, 09:39 | #75 | |
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We are a minority in our own country. Last edited by extreme_torque : 29th April 2008 at 09:41. | |
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