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Senior - BHPian ![]() | Re: RTO Crackdown on outstation vehicles in Bangalore! Quote:
If you would like me to share instances where offenders were rightly made to pay tax, I can share my friends car number KL02AD9696 and if needed 7-8 cars I myself brought and many others friends data. Quote:
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If same incident happened outside of Karnataka also, I would question the same way and not believe it point blank Last edited by funkykar : 3rd April 2025 at 20:26. | |||
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| Re: RTO Crackdown on outstation vehicles in Bangalore! Unfortunately, arguments for the sake of arguments is not taking this thread anywhere. The rebuttal is typically in this order -
But who is suffering? The folks who have made this city their home and are caught in endless legal loops. I would have respected the KA RTO if they had put a full page ad and publicity notifying the same and conducting camps to help people re-register their cars legally. Run the camp for 2 months, rake in the taxes legally, put up a deadline and then hound those who refused to use this window to fix stuff. But who am I kidding, we are talking about one of the most corrupt departments to exist in Indian Administration - The state RTO across all states are just vultures, KA being no different. To expect these people to uphold the law for reasons of justice? ![]() End of Rant. Actual Question - how does one go about paying the taxes legally? without touts and agents and other annoying mosquitoes? |
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Infractions: 0/1 (5) | Re: RTO Crackdown on outstation vehicles in Bangalore! Quote:
You just does not make sense in above statement. One may own homes in Bangalore and Kerala and may be spending time alternatively here and there. It is up to him to declare where he lives using his address proofs like DL, Passport, Aadhar, among others. The RTO cannot decide on that. If RTOs play this like a game, such people will always be in trouble from one of the state he spends time in. If you read carefully, the IDH news article is not about impounding the vehicle. It is about not releasing vehicles impounded even after a favorable court order, and the transport commissioner of Karnataka asking to release them. So it means, the following stages already passed:
For a person driving every week to Kerala, it is Rs. 9000/- per week travel expense, which can be done in Rs. 2000/- per week by bus or train. If he can afford this, an additional Rs. 20,000/- or KA road tax than Kerala is not an issue for him. But he chose to register his vehicle in Kerala because that is where he lives and spends most of his time. It is where all his address proofs are in. and he has legally right to be in KA for 11 monnths or atleast 1 month (as per KA RTOs modified law then). It is not rocket science to figure out, who is criminal offender here. RTO or the victim. Last edited by antonylejos : 3rd April 2025 at 21:13. | |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | Re: RTO Crackdown on outstation vehicles in Bangalore! Quote:
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Its very possible he had moved base to Bangalore(for what so ever reason his profession may have demanded), and in his to and fro runs, he may have come to Bangalore 3 days ago at that instance. We unfortunately dont have the RTO side of story. Note: This thread is actually going no where and not adding value. Cite real examples, else all generic opinions are already stated by many several times. I have posted real information and included real vehicle numbers. Some of the vehicles I have brought and reregistered to KArnataka, I have written team-bhp threads in the past of entire ownership. Each time, I have paid tax with pride. IF I wanted, I could get away, chose not to. Also, all information I have shared are not specific to Karnataka. Exact same is applicable for those moving out of Karnataka as well. Move, and pay the necessary taxes, no 2 ways about it. My last reply on this thread. Last edited by funkykar : 3rd April 2025 at 21:38. | ||
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| Re: RTO Crackdown on outstation vehicles in Bangalore! Quote:
I'll give you my scenario. I have moved to KA but my car has not moved. It is being used in another state by my father. I need to drive that car to KA to keep it here for few weeks because my parents are travelling abroad and I have to take care of the car. Now if I get caught by RTO will I be let go? I don't want to pay the taxes here because the car will go back in couple of months. I'm now confused and thinking of alternatives what can be done. Last edited by Way2Jimny : 3rd April 2025 at 22:10. | |
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Infractions: 0/1 (5) | Re: RTO Crackdown on outstation vehicles in Bangalore! Quote:
Because that is where I live and that is where my address is. Here we are discussing the scenario when one is a temporary visitor to another state. It can be for work, business, consulting, whatever. But I am not moving to that state. Owning an apartment, having an apartment sticker, having parking sticker etc are not proof that one moved. I own home/apartment in 3 states, KL, TN and MH and parking sticker from MH which is only apartmetn out of 3. My car has parking sticker from 3 branches of my office. Kochi, Mumbai and Bangalore. Karnataka cannot consider me as a resident for this!!! I dont want to.. Both scenarios are different. Last edited by Aditya : 4th April 2025 at 06:41. Reason: Toned down | |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | Re: RTO Crackdown on outstation vehicles in Bangalore! - I myself have registered cars I purchased from other state - I have helped friends reregister to Karnataka after they moved here - I have helped friends pay only KA tax in RTO drives conducted long ago in Bangalore. They gave an option to pay tax first and expected user to reregister - I have helped them re-register recently though they had paid tax like 10yrs ago. Now its compulsory to reregister, no option of only paying tax, no option of retaining old number, Ka number is mandatory - I own 30+ vehicles and visit RTO almost every week for one or other works. Needless to say I have had 50-60 vehicles in past, sold, scrapped and what not. - I have driven throughout the country traversing most states and several times. Being stopped by traffic cops to RTO officials, seen it all. Needless to say in entire of India all I have seen is all officials treat tourists very well. At max they give warning if we are flouting some rules. For e.g. long ago GJ required a yellow sticker on h/l etc. - All RTO processes like name transfer, NoC, hypothecation cancellation, reregistration, renewal of fitness, paying tax - All done many times myself and also used services of agent - I help several friends with RTO procedures who seek my help, it includes several team-bhpians also Just trying to say I am not naive to RTO procedures. With this much of experience I should know a thing or two? - No where I have mentioned tourists or genuine temporary visitors should pay tax, nor implied it. My stance is RTOs across India are very considerate about tourists and dont harass just like that. If they have data that person is flouting rules, only then they action Again, this is a long thread, read in its entirety instead of jumping on others. To be honest here - With one of my car purchases I technically violated the rule also. This was mere because one KL Police Station would not give police clearance for RTO NoC. Since car was already brought to Bangalore and wasnt mechanically fit to drive back to KL, it had to wait like 3 months before I drove back again to KL to obtain NoC and then come back to pay tax. If not, I was to re-register in 1 month from purchase/date of entry to Karnataka. So again I say, I dont look to shy away from paying taxes using excuses of difficult process and other cited reasons. Neither my friends who moved to Bangalore and were flouting rules are complaining after paying taxes. Lastly you owning houses in 3 different states, all states will have similar rules, this issue is not Karnataka specific. Other states are not doing such drives or you may not have come across just like you have probably not been stopped in Bangalore also. What reasons you give here in Bangalore, same you would need to do in other 2 states. Quote:
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Infractions: 0/1 (5) | Re: RTO Crackdown on outstation vehicles in Bangalore! Quote:
However, there is a category between resident and tourist that is being harassed. That is the topic of discussion for me. If you have reply for this, kindly reply Just like me. I own KL-registered cars only. KL is not my native place; I belong to TN. However, I registered my vehicles in Kerala because that is where I live, my family lives, and where I return every week or month after work. I am not a tax evader. I have never submitted even a fake rent receipt throughout my 20 years of filing ITR which is common among office workers. I have even paid income tax for my non-rented-out flats, considering potential income (as stated in the IT Act). So, let us not discuss who is an honest taxpayer here. You or me. When it comes to cars, people like me do not have the option to register a car in multiple cities. Yes, In KA, I was never stopped in two years. In MH, I was stopped multiple times with a KL-registered car in multiple visits across several years. The first thing they checked was my DL. When they saw it was from Kerala, they let me go. The second thing they checked was the PUC. If they doubted my arrival date, they let me go afterward. The third step was some interrogation. Once convinced, they let me go. However, reading news from KA, this is not what is happening in KA. They are impounding cars immediately for people like me, if caught. This is not fair. Period. Why? I am not a resident in KA, and I do not have an address proof there, even if I wanted to re-register. We, who move around India, deserve to live peacefully too. I make sure I never stay continuously for even three months (forget eleven) in any other state. | |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | Re: RTO Crackdown on outstation vehicles in Bangalore! Guys, was going through the thread above and now one thing has stood out for me. Is it no longer possible to just pay the tax and retain the old number? I am here for posting for about 3/4 years and would once again relocate after that. Do I have to re register for KA while am here mandatorily ? That would be very inconvenient as once I move again, I would need to change the registration once again? |
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I never said you are a tax evader nor meant. Those words are ONLY for those who have MOVED into Bangalore and choose NOT to pay. If you honestly are interested, I am visiting KA04 Yeshwantpur RTO and KA03 Indiranagar (now Kasturinagar RTO) in coming week for Fitness of my old bikes. You can join me, I will show you around including place where impounded vehicles are there. Quote:
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Team-BHP Support ![]() ![]() | Re: RTO Crackdown on outstation vehicles in Bangalore! Many replies on this thread are along the sentiment of 'Work in Bangalore, Pay in Bangalore'. Unfortunately- a popular divisive sentiment in recent days, but not constitutional IMHO. The Motor Vehicles Act, 1988 is very clearly worded on this topic: "Subject to the provisions of section 47, a motor vehicle registered in accordance with this Chapter in any State shall not require to be registered elsewhere in India and a certificate of registration issued or in force under this Act in respect of such vehicle shall be effective throughout India." And what is Section 47 that the above statement is subject to? When a motor vehicle registered in one State has been kept in another State, for a period exceeding twelve months, the owner of the vehicle shall, within such period and in such form containing such particulars as may be prescribed by the Central Government, apply to the registering authority, within whose jurisdiction the vehicle then is, for the assignment of a new registration mark and shall present the certificate of registration to that registering authority Quote:
The rule merely states just one aspect of re-registration: A period of stay of the motor vehicle not exceeding 12 months. Not the employment status, education status, visitor status - nothing else. If he came to Bangalore three days ago - which provision of the law gives RTO the right to seize the vehicle citing his employment in Bangalore? Cite the relevant provision of the law please. Quote:
Neither is the RTO authorized to take decisions based on the person's base (or any factors other than the vehicle duration of stay in the state exceeding 12 months), nor is this 1 month notification valid unless the vehicle has exceeded 12 months. Quote:
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1. The petitioner is said to be a permanent resident of Kerala, presently employed with a private limited company at Bangalore. It is the case of the petitioner that his employment requires him to travel and stay for varied durations at other places in India. The petitioner is said to be the owner of a motor vehicle bearing registration number KL 8 AQ 495. He is said to have entered the State of Karnataka with the said vehicle on 15.7.2014. On 17.7.2014, the petitioner's vehicle is said to have been stopped in Karnataka, en route his journey to Kerala. 2. The petitioner is said to be the owner of a car bearing registration number MH 14 DF 2854, registered in the State of Maharashtra. It is stated that on 26.5.2015, the petitioner's vehicle was said to have been intercepted at K.R.Puram, Bangalore 3. The petitioner is said to be an Advocate by profession and has established offices at Bangalore, Puduchari, Chennai and New Delhi. The petitioner is said to be the owner of a motor vehicle registered in Puduchari. So let's not go down that road of employment base please. The only criteria of exception is that the vehicle stay exceeds 12 months. Unless someone can point out with the exact rule which states otherwise! Quote:
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Infractions: 0/3 (13) | Re: RTO Crackdown on outstation vehicles in Bangalore! Quote:
If you have the actual judgement document with you and if it can be posted here then many folks will benefit. If I were to have access to that judgement, I would ask my Dad to keep a permanent print of it in his car and if stopped by any of any of these ‘RTO proclaimed Lords and Masters and Great Enforcers of the Law in KA’, we could literally ‘throw the book at them’. Honestly, these people are little more than ‘Tin Gods’ revelling in their newly sanctioned ‘bullying powers’ and hiding behind the blatant misuse of rhe ‘local’ card. If KA would only be a little broad minded and stop being so Xenophobic and perhaps apply a little logic. It is abundantly clear that this state would NEVER have reached this level of prosperity had it not been for the IT Industry which by its very nature brings in talent from other parts of the country and the world. Of course there is also a downside. But there is no denying that the industry has created openings and wealth for many more. But honestly it is about time that we in India stopped behaving in this parochial narrow minded manner like 31 separate countries and garnered some sense of unified National Pride. After all, is it not true that those who defend our country and lay down their lives so that the rest of us may live in peace without fear or external aggression, are from all over India. In that sense, a soldier from UP may give his life to save a Tamilian civilian or a Malayalee soldier may give his life to save a civilian from Arunachal or a Marathi soldier may sacrifice to save a Bengali civilian or vice versa. This nastiness and divisiveness has GOT to Stop, if we are to get ahead! It is only intelligent educated folks who can actually make a difference by practising this kind of ‘inclusiveness’ in our daily lives. Last edited by shankar.balan : 4th April 2025 at 04:33. | |
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| Re: RTO Crackdown on outstation vehicles in Bangalore! Let’s be clear that the Motor Vehicles Act is a Civil Law - and the burden of proof for impose a fine or penalty under it is “preponderance of evidence”, not “beyond reasonable doubt”. When a person who spends significant time in Bangalore or Bombay claims that he is living in Kerala or Delhi, all that the authorities need to show is that it is more likely than not that he is lying. Even if your family is living in some other state, what matters is where you stay and maintain your car. And if you happen to be working in Bangalore or Bombay, to my mind, that is enough proof to show where you live. The fact is that people on this thread who register their cars in their “home” states do so only to pay lower taxes - not for any other reason. And bringing patriotism or national integration into this is nothing but a red herring. |
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Infractions: 0/3 (13) | Re: RTO Crackdown on outstation vehicles in Bangalore! Quote:
But what really irritates is the way common tax paying citizens of India are treated. The methods adopted in the execution/ enforcement of these draconian local strictures, combined with the palpable underlying Xenophobia and Parochialism, needs to be absolutely condemned and reviled. What right have these ‘great Lords and Masters in the form of these authorities’ to forcibly tow away (and damage and impound) cars parked in designated parking zones, on one of the main visitors areas in this city, just because the said cars carry an out of state registration? The worst is that the owners have no recourse to object and even provide proof before the act of towing. Is it that we as Indian Citizens are not allowed to take our private cars to other states and cities. Considering that we have bought and paid for these cars with our earnings after having first paid tax on those earnings and then having further paid more tax on the purchase and registration of the car itself? I mean quite clearly, I would NOT brook any such harassment being meted out or attempted on my Dad who visits us from time to time and stays for 3-4 months. He drives his car which carries a neighbouring state registration. He has every right to do so and no one can or should stop him. And as a Super Senior Citizen who has paid his taxes all his life and yet received next to nothing back as ROI from our successive Governments, why should he be subject to these brash indignities at the hands of these hooligans? Come On! Last edited by shankar.balan : 4th April 2025 at 06:50. | |
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