[DicKy]

Originally Posted by parambyte

Why do expensive cars remove the gear shift lever (auto or manual)? What do rich people use the Center console for? Sitting?

Do rich people think the gear shift stick is a very “proletariat” thing?

Also, at 60lakhs on road in Mumbai, It’s so way overpriced.

OFF TOPIC alert.

Not sure which expensive car has moved its manual tranmission to the dashboard or steering column in recent decades.

Don't know of bourgeios or proletariat preferences. But there are many people who would love the extra storage spaces provided in the centre console. Not sure if any specific class of people would hate more storage spaces.

AFAIK, gear shift stick on the floor was a rich people thingy. Why would proletariat sacrifice an extra seating for sporty pretensions? IMO If the transmission is automatic and the gear selector is not mechanically linked, why would one want the lever in the centre console. Just mount it on the steering column. Far more intuitive and ergonomic. Freeing up useable space. BTW, most of the real proletariat vehicles have gone for dash mounted gear levers.

Back to the Tiguan... Waiting for this memo to be implemented. This interior design feels like a nightmare. Nope. That single rotary knob, while welcome is not enough.

[RM Motorsports]

Originally Posted by itwasntme

Underwhelming to say the least. E10 only? God bless buyers.

GOD and the Government already listened to you.

The government has increased its target for ethanol blending in petrol to 30 percent in the next five years.

https://www.autocarindia.com/industr...ndia-md-435070

Forget the price, fuel compatibility makes it DOA

[shinuak]

Originally Posted by ank_bhp

Is it only me who can see lots of inspiration from Suzuki Grand Vitara by inspiration I mean copying vis-a-versa. Now I am unable to unsee. People will pay the premium for "R' badge.

Same here, I cant' unsee it now either, how much ever I try. From pictures, I feel its less European from external looks.

[somersault]

Originally Posted by vinj14

No E20 compliance?!

As usual a half baked effort by VW auto. The hope is that the CKD Kodiaq would be E20 compliant.

My gut feeling is that this vehicle will be E20 compliant. Someone in VW just forgot to update the stickers. Remember how quietly in the previous Kodiaq the sticker was updated without any major announcement.

Originally Posted by RS/GT

200 HP now we are getting at half price in XUV700. Why VW didnt give a powerful 265 HP? Kodiaq VRS seems to get that.

Engine and gearbox combination wise, there is no comparison between these SKoda/VW engines and the Hyundai or Mahindra ones.

Having driven the previous Kodiaq 7 seater 2.0 TSI with 187 BHP for 5000+ KM, I am confident to say that this engine with this 7 speed DSG combination is the fastest available ICE hardware under 50 lakhs (0-100 in 7.8 seconds) as of now and comes close to even BMW Xdrive 20d performance (0-100 KM in 7.7 seconds). For comparison, the XUV700 Diesel AWD 0-100 is 9.3-9.8 seconds.

Hyundai Tuscon 2.0 Diesel AWD 0-100 is 9.4 seconds.

While the peak Torque and Power figures are important, but more important is the in-band power and torque curves and how fast the gear shift happens along with the gear ratios. The 4X4 plays to improve these acceleration figures as well by providing greater traction.

A better version of this engine is used in the Tiguan R line and will be used in the new Kodiaq (non RS). Tiguan R line is a 4X4 vehicle with 201 BHP and 0-100 KM is claimed at 7.1 seconds. Link -

However from the cost perspective, the vehicle could have been offered for Rs 42-44 lakhs ex-showroom for acceptable price band.

[silver_bullet24]

Originally Posted by UtkarshC

Earlier this month, VW confirmed that it will bring the Tiguan R Line, along with the Golf GTI, in India but did not share an exact date. However, the German carmaker has now announced that the VW Tiguan R Line will be launched on April 14. It will be brought to the Indian shores via the CBU route and the bookings will be opened soon.

In the international markets, the VW Tiguan R Line comes in multiple engine options - a 1.5-litre petrol mild-hybrid, a 1.5-litre plug-in hybrid, a 2.0-litre petrol and a 2.0-litre diesel. For the Indian market, VW is likely to offer the 2.0-litre petrol engine mated to a 7-speed DSG and the 4Motion all-wheel drive system.

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Being the range-topping variant, the VW Tiguan R Line has been given a more sporty treatment on the outside compared to the standard Tiguan. For example, there is a more aggressive front bumper with large vents and a gloss black fascia. The SUV also comes with LED light bars at the front and rear, as well as 19-inch alloy wheels.

On the inside, the VW Tiguan R Line has sports seats, a 3-spoke steering wheel, a 10.3-inch digital instrument cluster and a 12.9-inch central touchscreen.

Link to Team-BHP News

Now that the VW Tiguan R Line has been officially launched in India, the lack of certain features like no 360 degrees camera, powered tail-gate, ventilated seats, auto hold etc. is both confusing and amusing. These features are available even in cars costing around Rs. 20 lakhs or lesser. But what is alarming is that it seems to be E10 compliant, as shared in a few posts.

India has already achieved the target of E20 ethanol blending in March 2025. The target is now E30 by 2030.


https://www.business-standard.com/ec...1300490_1.html

This will surely lead to issues of corrosion. This was the only reason why I did not purchase the previous generation of Tiguan.

Trust that VW takes note of the matter and ensures that the new Tiguan R Line is atleast E20 compliant, if not E30.

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by DicKy

OFF TOPIC alert.

Not sure which expensive car has moved its manual tranmission to the dashboard or steering column in recent decades. ... ... ... AFAIK, gear shift stick on the floor was a rich people thingy.

There are big international cultural differences. Historically, in USA, Automatic is the standard, with MT being the luxury, enthusiast alternative. In Europe (at least GB, my mother country), Manual transmission was the overwhelming majority, with auto being the luxury minority, and quite an expensive one too.

So, cultural attributions according to the gear box, depend entirely on the choice of tradition. I think India follows the European path, and AT was quite rare here, especially in smaller vehicles, until the last decade or so.

[TURb]

It looks good, but the lack of a 360-degree camera and ADAS in this price bracket is disappointing. Also, who needs heated seats in India? They should have provided ventilated seats.

[shobhit.shri]

In my humble opinion, for around 60L on-road in Bangalore, BYD's sealion 7 makes infinitely more sense than this car. Sealion is more powerful, luxurious and futuristic, definitely worth a test drive before booking Tiguan.

[Livnletcarsliv]

IMO, this is another X-Trail - both as a product as well as its purpose.

The only significant difference between the 2 is that this Tiguan will sell, while X-Trail is nil. Of course, this will sell in unsurprisingly low numbers. Hardcore VW fan boys plus those with loads of money at disposal will be the only customer profiles.

But then, who cares, including VW. This is a shallow product to maintain VW's brand visibility and entry-level German premiumness. Since this is a CBU, no extra cost also for VW.

[volkman10]

VW Tiguan, some insights:

> UK spec car in similar pricing range to that country
> Diesel variant not for India due to limitations in CBU volumes.
> Lower pricing going forward if import duties come down - risk for initial buyers
> Demand is very strong as per the Group head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joaS...l=AutocarIndia

[Sebring]

Will any group head admit and say "demand is weak"?
I'm shocked they omitted powered seats. Rest are livable.

[Turbanator]

Originally Posted by parambyte

Why do expensive cars remove the gear shift lever (auto or manual)?

OT-

From my personal experience, I used to hate the cars without a proper lever. But I have been pleasantly surprised with some of the implementations, like the ones by Mercedes, gear change lever as a stalk, the same, we see on this Tiguan.

It's very convenient, and after a while, it becomes a habit. Problem is with the Rotary Knobs (landrover-past) or Switch like lever as on a lot of current generation BMWs. Those are a pain and not intuitive.

Originally Posted by DicKy

Not sure which expensive car has moved its manual tranmission to the dashboard or steering column in recent decades.

Not manual, but a lot of automatic transmissions have moved from the central console. I also like this implementation in the Porsche Cayenne, but one has to use the left hand, whereas on the stalk, the right hand does the work better.

[sharmanova]

VW, on behalf of everyone here, I'd like to apologize the backlash we gave you for launching the CBU Tiguan R-Line at ₹49L, especially when your sister company Skoda has now launched the CKD Kodiaq without DCC and ADAS at ₹48.69L.

P.S: Please don't disappoint us with the Tayron!

[volkchan1]

Looks like the skoda cousins come with E20 compatible engines, while R-line will not. The XP95 petrol which is the minimum that is recommended for the R-Line has 12% Ethanol content and is technically not compatible with Tiguan R line. I cannot fathom how they missed this, either the VW managment was clueless or they reckoned that the consumer is clueless.

From the kodiaq review (2025 Skoda Kodiaq Review):

At least for now, this 1,984cc turbo petrol engine mated to the 7-speed DSG automatic transmission is the only powertrain on offer in the 2025 Kodiaq. The combination is shared with the Volkswagen Tiguan R-Line, which was launched recently. What’s noteworthy is that Skoda has made its powerplant E20-compatible, while the Tiguan R-Line’s engine does not.

[itwasntme]

In VW’s defence I think the Tiguan R Line is technically E20 compatible, but is not formally certified to be so.

There was a similar situation some time back with India 2.0 vehicles as well, where dealers verbally informed customers that the vehicles are compliant; just that the formal certifications were absent.