[krrisdrive]

Why TKML & MSIL partnership didn't include sedans? Anyway, the former's Yaris is a market failure and there is no replacement for Ethios. Can't they revive a product to counter VW-Skoda combine's sedans? Or have they given up on sedan market in India?

[Mitadru]

Why do they blame the customer for this? When we had went to buy our new car, my father had initially wanted the Ciaz, having driven it in 2014. When I told him it's the same as what he drove back then, he was disappointed. One looking for reliable sedans is now left only to the City. Want performance the only option is the unsafe Verna, or the VAG twins. Did they try bringing an updated version. No. It has literally became the modern Ambassador in all senses. Verna has gone through 2 gens, same as the City. VW Skoda has launched facelift of their respective cars, and even introduced two new cars. So who's to blame here? It will soon be the same with Fronx Booster jet and Ignis. They won't introduce the new engine in any car, and then they will blame customers. They have killed the Baleno RS, Jimny all through their stupid moves. Also the Grand Vitara by offering AWD only with Manual gearbox and Non hybrid versions.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by Mitadru

Want performance the only option is the unsafe Verna, or the VAG twins.

The current generation Verna is 5-star NCAP rated - https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/road-...obal-ncap.html (Made-in-India Hyundai Verna scores 5 stars in the Global NCAP!)

[Mitadru]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

The current generation Verna is 5-star NCAP rated - https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/road-...obal-ncap.html (Made-in-India Hyundai Verna scores 5 stars in the Global NCAP!)

Doesn't make a difference. If you delve into the fine print, you'll see that it was rated 5 star because ADAS. It's footwell was rated unstable and incapable of withstanding further loading. Many members here have previously pointed out, there's difference between making a 5 star GNCAP or BNCAP car, and an actually safe car. It's better we don't delve into the topic, and take the thread off its actual purpose.

[EasyRider Suraj]

This car was 1 update away from being best seller among sedans. I always loved the looks of 2018 update. A new ciaz based on new Dzire platform with toyota's hybrid engine would be super awesome.

[Carma2017]

With a multi vehicle Lineup, it is always a near certainty that one car or the other is ignored depnding on where the juice is worth the squeeze. It doesn't make any economic sense to invest in Ciaz anymore. Even OEMs with a smaller Car Line up like are not investing equal efforts say on the Altroz. Hyundai just shut down the Santro and the i10 Nios doesn't get too much love either.

[Aurora Zero]

As sad as this statement is, I am a Suzuki user myself and I will never buy another "New" Suzuki vehicle in the near future. I have much respect to this company for making cars that could fullfill an average Indian family's dreams to own their own car, but now I can see nothing useful coming out of their vehicles anymore. They don't have a charm, no uniqueness, and the Ciaz was a fantastic "Premium" sedan after the SX4 which was completely ruined by Suzuki's "If it ain't broke don't fix it" approach. It's a real shame to see really good cars being discontinued over the mostly useless craze of pseudo SUVs which can't even go offroad if their lives depended on it. It is high time we actively do something to stop this dirty game.

[It's Magic]

Originally Posted by TusharK

According to a media report, Maruti Suzuki Ciaz is likely to go out of production next month and will be phased out by April 2025. The sedan is being discontinued due to declining sales as customer preference is shifting towards SUVs.

Finally, Maruti pulled the plug on the Ciaz. Everyone knew it was coming, but the only question people had was when.

In my opinion, they should have updated the Ciaz a couple of years ago and gauged public reaction. I'm not sure why Maruti kept it on the market without any updates for so long.

[shrey14]

The Ciaz definitely had a lot of potential! Only if Maruti Suzuki showed their interest in selling it by updating it's interior from a 2016 looking one, adding some features like they did with Grand Vitara and advertising it a little more. The current Ciaz is no where close to Verna, Slavia, Virtus or even the Honda City. The brand definitely treated Ciaz like a Suzuki Arena car and not a Suzuki Nexa one.

[IshaanIan]

No one to blame here other than the nincompoops who came up with sub 4 meter categorisation due to which sensibly sized cars for our market will always have a hard time existing. Either you have an overgrown awkward looking sub 4 meter car or an SUV of various sizes. That is how the market has become. International D segment sedans cannot be expected due to taxation and production quality constraints. In the end manufacturers can only offer what the market can perceive as value for money given all the constraints put on it.

Not sure about C2 segment sedans but I am excited to see what Maruti comes up with in the small car space once the cheap small car market rises to it’s original share of the pie again over the coming decade once those fundamentals are taken care of I suppose us enthusiasts will see stronger offerings across the board (sedans and maybe even sports cars someday?)

Originally Posted by saikishor

Curious as to which car would replace this car in the govt sarkaar category. Most of the sales that this car received was from govt officials.

The new Dzire is what they hope will be enough I guess.

[TurboTrailblazr]

This was a long time coming. I guess the next Suzuki to face the same fate will be Ignis - another great car that didn’t receive any updates in recent years.

[rajshenoy]

Maruti did the worst thing possible by slowing killing Ciaz for many years now, it’s the same Maruti which launches all new generation every 6 years but chose to not give even a facelift here.

Perhaps it’s the fear that any possible revival would also revive sales of City so instead kill the brand and segment itself in the name of SUVs.

They are also doing similar treatment to Ignis, another capable car, while punch and exter are doing so well.

[carhead]

Originally Posted by ringsoftime

Par for the course I think. People who prefer sedans nowadays do so only for the dynamics and that low lying agility compared to crossovers. Since no turbo diesels are present the natural candidates are the TSIs from SAVW. And for those who needs just the practicality, Dzire and Amaze offers it in a considerably lower price bracket due to the sub 4m rules.
Ciaz stopping won't be creating any ruckus, but the next in line is City, which unless Honda introduces some spicy changes, would meet with the same fate, and that would be a landmark moment.

While a turbo engine would spice up City sales, I doubt the capex /development cost would now be recovered. This same engine could also be used in Elevate.

Does anyone have a visibility on the estimated financial commitment/ business case of such an effort.

[ftp1234]

Ciaz has been the perfect car for our family. My kid has grown up sleeping on grandparents laps to now sleeping on a car bed behind. Grandparents have been comfortable with the ample legroom and ease of entry exit, rivalling large German sedans which are beyond our budget. Only constraint is it is a sedate-driving car, not for enthusiasts, but still holds its own in all daily life situations. Faux wooden interiors remind me of Mercedes S400 interiors from 2004 era (in US), so a generation old. But all in all, our family's perfect car. So sad to see it go.

[carhead]

Originally Posted by Mitadru

Doesn't make a difference. If you delve into the fine print, you'll see that it was rated 5 star because ADAS. It's footwell was rated unstable and incapable of withstanding further loading. Many members here have previously pointed out, there's difference between making a 5 star GNCAP or BNCAP car, and an actually safe car. It's better we don't delve into the topic, and take the thread off its actual purpose.

I dont want to stir the pot here. But this is a significant statement. It definitely warrants further discussion, albeit outside this thread. Mods- can you divert this post into any of the relevant safety threads please?