[Vikash Kumawat]

I will still criticize Tata, why not a perfect and reliable automatic - Torque Converter?
We all know that DCTs are complex, unreliable and expensive, Tata either have the Slowest and Cheapest AMT or the Fastest and Expensive DCT.
And on all of these, Tata has the worst after sale service and we have seen too many DCA failures on the forum. A perfect Torque Converter for Altroz, Nexon and Curve will be much appreciated in both Petrol and Diesel engines.

[DRPSREDDY]

Originally Posted by Vikash Kumawat

I will still criticize Tata, why not a perfect and reliable automatic - Torque Converter?
We all know that DCTs are complex, unreliable and expensive, Tata either have the Slowest and Cheapest AMT or the Fastest and Expensive DCT.
And on all of these, Tata has the worst after sale service and we have seen too many DCA failures on the forum. A perfect Torque Converter for Altroz, Nexon and Curve will be much appreciated in both Petrol and Diesel engines.

What is the point of having a gas guzzler in economy segment. Agreed DCA has not been niggle free initially, but why would anyone buy a thirsty car in sub 4M segment. Example Brio. A sub compact car with a TC gave an FE of 7-8 and look at the outcome. The DCA has been localised to Indian conditions and will be fuel efficient. Niggles have been seen in intial copies and mostly been ironed out.

[srvm]

Did anybody visit Tata Motors website to check out this variant?
I tried. I could not find it.

Say, can anybody find out ex-showroom price of this Diesel-DCA automatic from Tata motors website and report it here in this thread? (Any variant is ok)

[myavu]

Kindly add the URL to the said section of the website.

Originally Posted by TusharK

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[tushky]

Even i cant find Diesel DCA on the website

[satish.gawai]

Originally Posted by DRPSREDDY

So what are the 9 new models Tata design studios are working on?

First out is the all new Skate board EV in collaboration with Jaguar's MLA platform. That is expected on 2026.

Next are all Gen 2 architecture based cars that will have one in ICE and EV (Atlas and Activ.ev) platforms.
Sierra - 2025
Nexon - 2025-26
Tiago 2026
Tigor 2026

Next
Altroz 2027
Sedan based on MLA platform 2027
Sedan based on ATLAS platform 2028

That should give us an insight of what's cooking up within the company and all this is my pure guess. I have no insider information...

As per my understanding small EVs will not be on the Skateboard platforms as they will not be viable and will continue to roll out on Gen 2 platforms. Alroz is selling quite well with 3500 copies a month and a refresh is expected soon. So keep watching.

Add Avinya EV in 2026.

[PrasunBannerjee]

Originally Posted by saikishor

Honestly at this point Tata should just get rid of the Altroz. Such step motherly treatment for a brilliant product like the Altroz is a shame. I am happy for Tata giving a proper automatic to the diesel Nexon but am sad for the kind of treatment they are showing towards the Altroz.

And all this while its selling in quite decent numbers which can further strengthen upon giving proper updates to the product!

[DRPSREDDY]

Originally Posted by DRPSREDDY

So what are the 9 new models Tata design studios are working on?

First out is the all new Skate board EV in collaboration with Jaguar's MLA platform. That is expected on 2026.

Originally Posted by satish.gawai

Add Avinya EV in 2026.

That was meant to quote Avinya that will debut on the MLA platform. But the name Avinya will be a brand by itself and will host a line-up of luxury cars under it's belt. I always thought that 'Titan' will be a better brand name than Avinya.

[Somil07]

Originally Posted by Vikash Kumawat

I will still criticize Tata, why not a perfect and reliable automatic - Torque Converter?
We all know that DCTs are complex, unreliable and expensive, Tata either have the Slowest and Cheapest AMT or the Fastest and Expensive DCT.
And on all of these, Tata has the worst after sale service and we have seen too many DCA failures on the forum. A perfect Torque Converter for Altroz, Nexon and Curve will be much appreciated in both Petrol and Diesel engines.

For what it's worth, TATA's DCA is a wet clutch type transmission as against the dry clutch ones being used by Hyundai/KIA and VW which have a well established history of issues. That being said, DCA is very new to Indian market and Tata's ASS itself is a hit or miss so even I would think twice before putting my money on it.

[Pikachu77]

Since the Nexon and the Curvv share a lot( a bit too much) , I am expecting the 1.2 litre tgdi in nexon as well in the coming months. May be the Nexon Racer.

The diesel DCA, I CNG, TGDi engine would make the number of variants in nexon to hit 200.

Nice milestone to give some discounts too on the pricy top variants.

[Nano45]

Originally Posted by DRPSREDDY

I Think this post deserves to be a new Topic on itselves.

Today I was listening to the EVO India podcast with Martin Uhlarik, about the Curvv and designing aspect within TATA Motors design studio.

He says that all the three design studios are working on a total of 9 models in their current line up. He didn't elaborate but I think it should do with the refresh of the current models on sale. Tata Motors has unveiled a new platform christened ATLAS. As per my understanding, I thought it replaces the OmegaArc platform as it is old Ford derived one and converting it from an all aluminium architecture to high tensil strength steel chassis made it a little heavy. Also the AlfArc had it limitations as it could not accommodate more than 16 inch wheels. So there was a huge gap of platform limitations and as well with the engines as they lacked powerful ones. Models between them needed both. Even Mahindra is handicapped the same way! (No model between 300 and 700)

The ATLAS platform will replace both the current platforms! Yes that is true, and how? Well if you see the video presentation of the platform shows a hatchback to a full blown 3 row SUV, that would dawn the range of cars. So that is why Tata Motors went slow on new product roll out including Tiago twins and Nexon. So as Sierra is debuting shortly the Harrier will soon be scrapped. The Safari will march on but in a new avatar on the new ATLAS platform that will be lighter, powerful and fuel efficient. The current OmegaArc platform will be too heavy for the 1.5L TGDi engine making it sluggish and a guzzler. So ultimately they will be a 2 platform to a single platform car line-up for ICE and one for EV.
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When it comes to TAMO, your analysis are always spot-on. So watched the whole podcast of Evo channel after reading your post.

My observations and doubts

1. During the launch event, TAMO said that the new platform ATLAS can accomodate vehicles from 3.9m to 4.6m i.e from Altroz to Safari and upcoming cars in their portfolio. So, OmegaArc will be replaced definitely.

But for the cars below 3.9m (Tiago, Tigor and Punch), I think they will retain the AlfaArc platform.

Q : TATA has put a significant effort and invested a lot in localizing the OmegaArc platform for our market and Harrier, Safari are the only products created from it. Will it have any negative impact on them to replace such a capable platform within a short span?

2. Scrapping the Harrier would be a stupid move and will dent the confidence of customers who wish to keep TAMO vehicles for a long time.

With the EV version set to launch by the end of this year, there's a 0% chance of it happening in the near future.

I recall hearing that there will be a coupe version of their flagship product. So maybe in 2027 we can expect the Harrier nameplate in a new body style.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/inter...g-thing-2.html (Sports Utility Coupé - The next big thing?)

Screenshot of ATLAS platform

[DRPSREDDY]

Originally Posted by Nano45

When it comes to TAMO, your analysis are always spot-on. So watched the whole podcast of Evo channel after reading your post.

Thank you for the keen observation. Happy to know you recognized it. I have been keenly observing both the Indian Manufacturers about their operations....

Originally Posted by Nano45

My observations and doubts
But for the cars below 3.9m (Tiago, Tigor and Punch), I think they will retain the AlfaArc platform.

When you look at all the pictures, it clearly shows that the platform is made to accommodate different body styles that includes hatchbacks and also a fact that it starts from 3.9 meters means that small cars including sub 4M SUVs too can be derived of this platform. All small cars like Tiago, Tigor, Punch, Nexon and Altroz are 3.9 to 3.99 meters and can be spun off from here. Unless TATA plans to reinvent the Nano, this platform will be sufficient. So there is no business meaning continuing the AlfaArc platform.

Originally Posted by Nano45

2. Scrapping the Harrier would be a stupid move and will dent the confidence of customers who wish to keep TAMO vehicles for a long time.

With the EV version set to launch by the end of this year, there's a 0% chance of it happening in the near future.

I recall hearing that there will be a coupe version of their flagship product. So maybe in 2027 we can expect the Harrier nameplate in a new body style.

Harrier though is made on the OmegaArc platform, is heavy in today's SUV standards. It will be meaningful if it shifts to a lighter platform. With the 1.5L TGDi engine, it will be more fuel efficient and powerful than on the OmegaArc platform.

On the other hand, Safari, being more than 4.6 meters and needs the bulk and is perfect fit on the OmegaArc platform. Diesels are in more demand in this segment. Also Tata should leverage the OmegaArc platform to make a 4X4 SUV to take on the Thar and that will have an advantage over the BOF construct SUVs, just like the Defender has.

Also Tata Motors is planning export their products in the international markets and FWD cars will not work out as there will be a significant demand for AWD and 4X4 cars.

[DRPSREDDY]

Originally Posted by DRPSREDDY

All small cars like Tiago, Tigor, Punch, Nexon and Altroz are 3.9 to 3.99 meters and can be spun off from here. Unless TATA plans to reinvent the Nano, this platform will be sufficient. So there is no business meaning continuing the AlfaArc platform.

I am mistaken. Tiago and Punch are all below 3.9 meters. Nexon, Tigor and Altroz are above 3.9 meters. So retaining the AlfaArc for small cars is possible. I think TATA should explore a small sized electric just like the MG Comet.

[Nano45]

Originally Posted by DRPSREDDY

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Harrier though is made on the OmegaArc platform, is heavy in today's SUV standards. It will be meaningful if it shifts to a lighter platform. With the 1.5L TGDi engine, it will be more fuel efficient and powerful than on the OmegaArc platform.

On the other hand, Safari, being more than 4.6 meters and needs the bulk and is perfect fit on the OmegaArc platform. Diesels are in more demand in this segment. Also Tata should leverage the OmegaArc platform to make a 4X4 SUV to take on the Thar and that will have an advantage over the BOF construct SUVs, just like the Defender has.

Moving Harrier to a lighter platform for better performance and efficiency is definitely a wise decision and I'm all happy for that.

Whether on OmegaArc or the latest ATLAS platform, TAMO could unlock significant potential by leveraging 4*4. But god alone knows why they are backing away or Is it due to the limited powertrain options they have?

Originally Posted by DRPSREDDY

So retaining the AlfaArc for small cars is possible. I think TATA should explore a small sized electric just like the MG Comet.

My thoughts too. Since Tiago and Punch serve the same purpose, Tata should design the next generation Tiago as a pure city car with smaller footprint (something that resembles the Nano). It will be an instant hit.

[humyum]

Originally Posted by DRPSREDDY

What is the point of having a gas guzzler in economy segment. Agreed DCA has not been niggle free initially, but why would anyone buy a thirsty car in sub 4M segment. Example Brio. A sub compact car with a TC gave an FE of 7-8 and look at the outcome. The DCA has been localised to Indian conditions and will be fuel efficient. Niggles have been seen in intial copies and mostly been ironed out.

Its not as thirsty as its made out to be. The Diesel Creta Manual has an ARAI rating of 21.8 and Diesel Auto has a rating of 19.1 and the Diesel Auto is a Torque Converter. The longevity of the torque converter is like forever.