[ani_meher]

Originally Posted by nerd1200

Several media houses and influencers are covering this including BHPian Manuj’s predicament.

https://Youtu.be/VdtLDSf0fd8?si=fFk9eG5BkxcXCSBI

The name Thar has become the 'xerox' of 4x4s, with the quoted video claiming the vehicle as 'Thar', even when it is Force Gurkha.

[Thyag]

https://youtu.be/24JCjAswtko?feature=shared

Opposing bail plea of an innocent person, Labelling somebody as "Mastikhor"

Such a disgraceful moment, Really ashamed of the proceedings. We have won the award *The Real Banana Republic".

[Beemer1077]

Originally Posted by Highh5

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I would like to know from fellow Bhpians their thoughts on this.

The real culprits are those who were operating the coaching center in the basement. It is illegal to have any commercial activity in basement of any building. The coaching mafia mints millions with false guarantees, and some political leaders have their backs. Unfortunate that parents fall prey to that and force their kids to enroll in such classes. Such naive and gullible approach builds mediocrity among the educated class of Indians. Sad to say that unless any legal action is taken with Non-Bailable Warrants, these coaching centers will continue to operate and mint profits, thereby also generating Black Money. Furthermore, if students take their own lives as they cannot handle it anymore, the parents should face charges of murder or abetment.

As for the driver who was arrested for this, the Delhi Police proved it's incompetence as the basement would have anyway flooded since they gates cannot stop flow of flood water inside. Hence, the real culprits are the MCD officers who took bribes to allow this coaching center to operate, besides the owner itself.

[alphamike_1612]

I understand the matter is sub-judice, but all of this is already existing public knowledge and is routinely piped out of most major news channels.

Can lawyers on the forum explain why the Court reserved it's verdict?

Per my understanding, a verdict is reserved when the judge needs more information before coming to a decision.

Am I being too simple minded in thinking "What more information does the justice need to figure out this is a harebrained case that was executed solely for the purpose of drawing away media attention?".

Also, isnt "Bail the norm and jail the exception"? In this case, shouldn't the justice have ordered interim bail (if such a thing exists) until he is able to deliver his/her verdict?

Also, in case the trial court denies bail and the HC/SC allow bail, can the defendant request action be taken against the justice who denied bail? What holds officers of the judiciary accountable?

Manuuj's reviews of the Gurkha were the reason I saw Force motors and the Gurkha in a different light.

It is saddening to see an innocent citizen get gutted for the mistakes of Government officials, all of whom are free to roam about and haven't even been suspended. I always used to think that India has hit the bottom of it's trough and will rise back up, turns out, the trough is deeper than the Mariana Trench.

[Doonite]

Originally Posted by alphamike_1612

I understand the matter is sub-judice, but all of this is already existing public knowledge and is routinely piped out of most major news channels.

My tinfoil hat theory is that he hasn't been granted bail and the verdict hasn't been reached because a scapegoat is needed for the time being.

If they let Manuj out, then they have to provide a proper enquiry on who's responsible for what. So, once the media coverage dies down and another issue takes precedent, sooner rather than later he'll be let out.

Even before the Pune Accident/Murder case, we have had umpteen examples of Jury and Police being in influential people's pocket. This case is also another example.

P.S everyone I have talked to in my friend circle cannot believe that the car owner has been arrested. If the common man can reach such a conclusion in the face of publicly available evidence, why can't the Jury? I guess we all know why.....

[clutchNgo]

They arrested the owners. Those are the ones responsible right? Or do they have to arrest everyone within a 1km radius.

This is the most unhinged law enforcement I've ever seen (yet).

[tbppjpr]

Those who are running the system today have also been in place of these student and and have gone through all this. But when they became part of the system, they forgot all the socialism and ethics. Few out of these current students who are going to be selected in the system will also do the same, this is the cycle which keeps going on.

The corruption and habit of negligence is deep rooted in our culture, in our upbringing, its not taught in the schools. Unfortunately we never accepted this fact and have always kept blaming the soft targets. We always lived in the false illusion of being 'vishwaguru' instead of identifying and correcting the faults.

Anybody remember the Surat gaming zone fire tragedy happened just few days back? Has anything fixed in the country despite big talks that time?

Its just a matter of few days, all will be cooled down in a while so relax till the next sensational news comes from somewhere else.

[DriverLess]

His lawyer's interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br56JgL5pYw

[GeeTee TSI]

The Gurkha's bow wave did break the weakest link here, being the glass door. This is a fact which one must concede. If not this car, some other might have caused it, the glass door was already on borrowed time given the roads in spate. That being said, the driver had probably little idea of the risk to anyone else (except to himself) while wading through dangerously deep waters, nor was there any intention to cause harm.

In video clips shot from the opposite side, there is all sorts of chatter and reactions but hardly anything about saving lives or making an effort (given they could see what unfolded) - does it make them all culpable too?!

[ambandla]

Next Noble prize should be awarded to Delhi Police for their amazing intelligence that surpasses that of Einstein.

Now that they have arrested one who was driving through the street, can they also arrest the following:

1. One who painted that gate (probably he used heavy paint that caused gate to crash).
2. Parents of students who were studying there, for they put their kids in that centre knowing that the library in basement was illegal.
3. Students who were studying there, for they continued to study there knowing that it is illegal to have library in basement.
4. Maintenance and sweeper staff for maintaining that basement.
5. Electrician who installed electrical appliances knowing that it was illegal.
6. All the passerby's from the day the centre came up, who did not file police case when they saw that there are rooms in basement.
7. Tyre manufacturer for Force Gurkha for those tyres pushed water.
8. Gurkha QA for making sure that the vehicle can run on water logged road.

[Ays7]

I am really overwhelmed by the feeling of support for a fellow T-Bhpian who has been caught in this mess. As a lawyer, who has come across countless cases where investigative agencies always look for a scape goat to placate the public and to show that they are doing *something*,this arrest is as frivolous as it can be.

Legally speaking, the charges are bogus and will not stand the process of court. He will be out on bail in few days and the fact that he is already sent to Judicial custody means he is now eligible for bail.

It is unfortunate that in India, we have a term among us lawyers - "The process is the punishment". It means whether you are innocent or guilty, having to go through legal hoops and process is a punishment in itself.

Like in this case, we are 100% certain he will go scot free. But, the process involves spending few days in jail and possibly a legal trial that will take few years to complete. It will involve significant legal expenses.

Unfortunately, that is how this system is, and while it brings out feelings of absolute incredulity and helplessness, it is what it is. My prayers for the affected Bhpian and his family, this is just a case of him being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Loco-moto]

The arrest of Gurkha driver brings the new BNS laws to light as well. Police has been given powers to arrest anyone without a warrant.

The misuse and absurdity has just begun.

[Retroclassic]

Originally Posted by SRTPorsche

Not sure if its sarcasm or not, I am just hoping and praying that it is sarcasm.

Lets imagine you are driving to the office tomorrow, in a particular section of the road there is water logging, what will you do?

Lets assume again that you drove through the road because it would be mental to even think that you will wait on the road for the water to dry because the drains or blocked, now you drove the car which caused a wave - because PHYSICS, and it killed people stuck in a illegal built basement in a house next to the road because of its poor build quality.

Are you going to turn yourself in as a killer?

"it would be mental to even think that you will wait on the road"

That's precisely what to do in a Flash flood. You abandon the vehicle and get yourself to safety and wait it out. The vehicle being on the road is a risk to passengers, others on the road, and the vehicle itself can cause damage to property. It is Madness to drive in a Flash flood.

Your statement simply proves that many Indians do NOT know how to drive and the more expensive the vehicle, they think they're above the law. I am very glad I didn't learn to drive in India.

A driver owes a duty of care when on the road, and should know when to not drive. And I have no doubt that this driver was thrill seeking.

[Chisels121]

Originally Posted by Retroclassic

Whilst others are also to blame, this includes the negligent thrill-seeking SUV owner who thinks driving in a flood is a fun video game.

Bro, I hope you are making this comment in a fit state of mind because what you have said is that the coachingwho built an underground LIBRARY in a frequently flooding area is not responsible but the guy who drove across that road is responsible.

I knew that sooner or later there will be that one guy who is going to comment in favour of the most illogical and vested interests-driven arrest of 2024 so far.

[mayankk]

Originally Posted by Retroclassic

And I have no doubt that this driver was thrill seeking.

Why do you have no doubt he was thrill seeking?
You should inform the authorities of the result of your investigating asap.

Ps:there's a legal opinion a couple of posts above yours. Don't know if he's a lawyer or not though.

Edit: Checked. He is.