[whitewing]

My sympathies with the BHPian.

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But do note that this Gurkha has only paid road tax and had no business to ply in the brand new waterways of the city!
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[DriverLess]

Originally Posted by N.A.GTC

I don't know the circumstances under which the gate got broken by the SUV and the news report is silent on this aspect too.

Video is here.

https://x.com/republic/status/1817560121590833194

From the looks of it, the gate would have fallen on its own any moment. Just a small tide from the SUV crossing caused it to give up. To me this is a senseless arrest.

[chaksjr]

Originally Posted by DriverLess

Delhi coaching center flooding:

A different kind of accident; collateral damage ?

What was the fault of this SUV driver? Are there any rules against driving on a flooded road?

https://indianexpress.com/article/ci...olice-9482367/

This is T-BHPian @Manuuj's Gurkha.
Discussion here - https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-...ml#post5812113 (Asterix, my 2021 Force Gurkha | The adventure begins)

I think a strong voice needs to be sent out to the administration to not indulge in nonsense like this. If there is anybody within the TBHP community who can help with this, please do.

[deepfusion]

This is atrocious, to say the least.

The police are looking for scapegoats. Politicians are looking to chop the head off of anyone they can lay their hands on, the MCD is trying to wash its hands off of the incident.

Parents who have lost their brilliant children are crying. Our Manuuj has been put behind bars.

Funniest part is that post this incident, authorities have woken up and started sealing all coaching centres operating from basements. ONLY IN THIS AREA, and no where else.

[locusjag]

A police officer involved in this case is quoted as saying that negligence has been established on the part of the BHPian.

The entire case against him is built on that basis.

I know that the matter is sub-judice, but I can't help wondering if this is a slippery slope argument.

What does negligence mean? That there was a duty to do or not do certain things and upon doing/not doing the stated things, harm was caused to somebody or somebody's property. So what is being implied here is that vehicle drivers have a duty to not drive on flooded roads because the resultant waves would knock down a gate somewhere or that students in flooded basements will drown because of that? When you drive a car down a flooded road, is that the thought that any of us will have in mind - that you shouldn't knock down someone's gate nor kill humans in basements?

If the argument is that the BHPian should've driven slowly so as to avoid creating a bow wave - that's possible. The prosecution will have this in their favor. When people are wading through floods, a fast vehicle will drown them (even if only momentarily) and drivers hence have a duty to slow down. In the video, you can see a man in chest-deep water who crosses the road ahead of the Gurkha. The prosecution can argue that the BHPian should've at least slowed down upon seeing the struggling man...I can see negligence getting established in that regard alone.

But what do I know? I am not from the legal field.

I hope that a judge will see this whole thing through an impartial lens and that the BHPian will find peace - because ultimately, he will feel dreadful for indirectly having a bearing on the tragedy.

[Chisels121]

Originally Posted by chaksjr

This is T-BHPian @Manuuj's Gurkha.
Discussion here - https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-...ml#post5812113 (Asterix, my 2021 Force Gurkha | The adventure begins)

I think a strong voice needs to be sent out to the administration to not indulge in nonsense like this. If there is anybody within the TBHP community who can help with this, please do.

I too was going to post about it but you did it first which is good and here's the reddit article where everyone is supporting him which I think is right. We should be vocal about our support for him too.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CarsIndia/c...t=share_button

[SLK]

Originally Posted by chaksjr

I think a strong voice needs to be sent out to the administration to not indulge in nonsense like this. If there is anybody within the TBHP community who can help with this, please do.

Who will send the message? We have a property in this area, it is a shit show by basically MCD, but its just too far gone to be reversed.

1) This is an old refugee colony and sewers are too small for the kind of construction that has now come up (and allowed to come up)
2) Even after complaints, sewer/ drain cleaning is difficult and can only be managed on a personal level.
3) There is all kind of encroachment everywhere making it difficult to even maintain infra.
4) There is all kind of commercial activity (including overdose of coaching centers), for which which place was never designed. The sewers cannot handle waste of so many people and the commercial (read restaurants and food outlets) just put every kind of waste in the sewer (let your imagination free).

Basically, administration needs to re-do the entire area from scratch else these tragedies would continue to happen in one form or other (at least I've heard more people dying than this one incidence that got highlighted here). And we are a country of people who are too worried about personal income tax rates, we cannot EVER rise up allowing someone to break houses and shops to legal limits specifically when we put all our savings in building houses and encroachments.

Financially, everyone is just earning out of this, landlords, cheap rent for students, coaching centers, and of course the administration. Whom will you blame?

Vicious cycle, you see.

[N.A.GTC]

Originally Posted by SLK

Who will send the message?
Vicious cycle, you see.

@SLK, I think @chaksjr meant to send a message against the absurd and arbitrary arrests, not the building situation. You're right about that.

Originally Posted by chaksjr

This is T-BHPian @Manuuj's Gurkha.

If there is anybody within the TBHP community who can help with this, please do.

Was it @Manuuj who was driving/has been arrested? My thoughts & prayers with Manuuj and his family. May this travesty pass soon. His first step would be to seek bail. Setting the admin right/taking any action against the drunk-on-power police officials would be next to impossible. I'm a criminal lawyer and have been seeing such antics for quite a while. Most unfortunate. Would be happy to help with this in any manner if required.

[SLK]

Originally Posted by N.A.GTC

@SLK, I think @chaksjr meant to send a message against the absurd and arbitrary arrests, not the building situation. You're right about that.

Yes, I understand that. I'm trying to say that the people, landlords, administration there will blame everyone but themselves. We can run an online campaign but on-ground situation is that everyone just wants to blame someone else.

[audioholic]

Originally Posted by N.A.GTC

Was it @Manuuj who was driving/has been arrested? My thoughts & prayers with Manuuj and his family. May this travesty pass soon. His first step would be to seek bail. Setting the admin right/taking any action against the drunk-on-power police officials would be next to impossible. I'm a criminal lawyer and have been seeing such antics for quite a while. Most unfortunate. Would be happy to help with this in any manner if required.

From your experience, isnt it pretty difficult to really blame the car driver for causing this issue? He hasnt done anything illegal. Isnt the police just trying to make a scapegoat out of this situation which a lawyer cant argue out from? What would be the basis of this arrest?

[chaksjr]

My thought behind writing that was to just kind of send out a request to TBHP in general to stand up against this absurdity.
Among us if there is someone to could put this message across to someone sensible in the administration, was my hope.
I understand we can't change much through online shor, on ground reality is really bad and as mentioned, people are just looking to pass the buck.

[Sen_auto_sation]

Words fail me!
—This is simply outrageous and the way media played to the tunes of the powers that be, is simply atrocious!

I shudder to think about the impact of this grave injustice to our fellow TeamBHP-ian and his family.
Of course all of us show our solidarity to them and our prayers for his acquittal and justice/legal relief to be delivered swiftly.

A lot has been already written/voiced out by our TeamBHP community against this grave violation of justice and human rights. Does no one amongst our Lawmakers and/or the judiciary realise, just how far out this has gone against every tenet of justice, morality and plain common sense, as this incident has played out?? Does this not infringe upon the fundamental rights our Constitution provides to Indians supposedly (but in reality not!).

I have staunchly believed in patriotism for our Motherland but this raises serious questions on the existential crisis for a common citizen. Maybe those of us who settled overseas on to greener pastures were the ones who “got it”, after all.

This incident feels unreal!! (Is this how low our society has stooped down?!)

[pandabear]

Unbelievable! The babus and the police who are responsible should be jailed and not the innocent. He WILL be out but our courts are slow and useless and I feel bad at his mental trauma.

The evil guy who even thought of pressing these unwanted charges on the poor driver I really hope KARMA does hit back!

Originally Posted by locusjag

because ultimately, he will feel dreadful for indirectly having a bearing on the tragedy.

No need for him to be remorseful. The setup was due to collapse anyways.

[locusjag]

Originally Posted by pandabear

No need for him to be remorseful. The setup was due to collapse anyways.

I don't think you've understood me. Please give me one more attempt with an analogy; let's say a driver inadvertently runs over someone who tripped and fell from the sidewalk onto his vehicle's path on a city road - legally the driver will get cleared (won't he? I certainly hope so). But he will still feel dreadful when thinking about the life that got extinguished under him and his wheels. God forbid if something like this occurs to me, I know I would feel that way.

Over here, again, there's no clear negligence on the part of the BHPian that has been established when it comes to the basement and the ultimate tragedy. A driver logically only has a duty to consider the safety of those that he can see on the road in front of him.

[Capri89]

Unfortunate turn of events, no doubt.

As a proactive measure from this team let us bounce ideas on how we can help Manuuj get bail in the first instance and prove his innocence thereafter.

Am sure his family and friends are doing their best in this regard. But, from our side can we supplement those efforts?