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Originally Posted by wooka The value is simply unmatched and astonishing! |
The ride quality, body roll even on good roads and the way the suspension function in a Thar (my family hates it to the core nowadays especially if the air pressure is off due to some reason vs Swift's sorted out ride/suspension at all speeds, comfort of 4 doors, maneuverability of Swift (better steering response & turning radius on city's nook and corners) - all these only can be experienced after using Thar as a daily driver for a year or so at least.
Thar's suspension issues gets multiplied few times on bad patches. I tried 30 psi and up to 36 psi. I did not dare to try anything less than 30 for longer periods. My issue is that after using BMW X1 and then hopping on to Thar alternatively for various reasons, all the problems on Thar gets exposed jarringly and quickly and one tend to hate Thar's shortcomings more and more. This is my sad situation, frankly, unlivable to some extent. But when I started to only use Thar, I feel slightly better. The one good thing is that the AVO suspension does it's magic on smoother straight line rides.
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Originally Posted by wooka ...a Z8S diesel automatic is 19L is really a testatement to their efforts, when a top end DCT Creta can be more expensive. |
As mentioned, I am annoyed by the QC issues of Mahindra vs something like Koreans or Japanese. VFM point of view - I do not have anything to argue. I mentioned this sometime back about Mahindra's strategy of attacking everyone from 10 lakhs to 45 lakhs with this 3 vehicles. XUV 7OO beats Creta hands down. No question about that on any way if we look at it but when it comes to experiencing a NIGGLE FREE ownership of a well rounded offering, Creta is unmatched and the numbers are the proof. When the niggles and issues comes into picture, the peace of mind goes for a toss along with the tag "VFM". Sorry, it just veered off (pun intended) unknowingly, off topic.
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Originally Posted by wooka 3. The amount they've now tested the 5d thar, I think we'll have a winner from day 1. Most of the vehicle is already tried and tested with shared parts from the 3d thar, the SN chassis, and the xuv400 stereo. |
I wish, and really wish this becomes true. I do own some Mahindra stocks and only recently it became green
after one plus years.
Just 3 years after they have green signaled the development of 4 door Thar. This is nothing extra ordinary. I read somewhere LC300 was tested for more than 6 years. Remember, 4 door Thar is not just an extension of Thar, it is a different vehicle altogether. Design elements are intentionally kept similar that of Thar or Wrangler for obvious reasons - if it just sells why to try something different.
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Originally Posted by wooka And jeep, please. |
I had Wrangler JL for 4 years and never had any niggles or issues except one recall - to install a stabilizer bar - just google "death wobble" to know more. Once, I had that wobble, it scared me to the core. But it got fixed promptly. Other than this, no issues at all. Wranglers are like tanks and you can fix them anywhere even if there are any issues but rarely serious in nature.
It is, even in JL avatar (2018 onwards), with all the electronics that it ever had, still, in heart, it is a simple to fix, pure mechanical joy. This may not apply to other Jeep offerings though, I agree. At the end of the day, JL is far more refined and livable easily as one vehicle garage. I have seen personally many Americans/Europeans in the Gulf own one JK/JL Wrangler and just one car. I still remember one French guy with big moustache (I know him personally, but forgot that difficult to pronounce name) worked in my company drove two JK Wranglers and did not have anything else - an orange and a silver 4 door Wranglers. One he drives without roof and doors all the time.
This level of simple convenience/comfort still without irritating niggles/fundamentals can not be expected out of Thar (2 Door). 4 door Thar could solve some issues of accessibility but I still doubt it's ride quality improvements to match a proper SUV even like it's brother Scorpio N or it's cousin XUV 7OO (yes it is different in architecture). There are some inherent Thar's true blood Off-roader underpinnings might not ALLOW this to quickly adopt a soft roader characteristics PLUS Mahindra has a poor history of having not managed to sort the ride quality of it's offerings. Until today Scorpio Classic is a classic example. How Tata could excel in the ride quality even from the Sierra, Safari days and Mahindra could not do it? Lack of knowhow? or simply lazy? I do not know the answer for this puzzle frankly.
I am not against Thar per se, but I really wish we have all these issues sorted out in the upcoming models by Mahindra and I really really root for them to succeed.
These are all my analysis and take it with a pinch of salt and until we drive one of those 4/5 door Thars, we are speculating (what else we ought to do if we can not touch one yet!