[Highh5]

It looks like Telangana RTO will be going to start a drive now to seize overstaying out-of-state vehicles. Articles state that vehicles plying in Telangana for more than 30 days will be impounded or they would have to pay the tax. I see this as an exercise to harass the working class or a way to mop up revenues for funding the freebies. Would like to know what fellow Bhpians think about this?




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[tilt]

The onus is on the cops/RTO /accuser to prove that my car has been inside TS for longer than 30 days. It is not for the accused to prove a negative.

How will they prove their accusation?

CHEERS

[SoumenD]

Originally Posted by tilt

The onus is on the cops/RTO /accuser to prove that my car has been inside TS for longer than 30 days. It is not for the accused to prove a negative.

Bold of you to assume that’s how it works in India

Back in the day(2014/15 IIRC), Bangalore had such drives and there used to be super long line of out-of-state registered cars lined up outside every IT park as RTO officials were on a checking and fining spree. One needs to show proof that they are new to the city with PUC or toll receipts less than 30 days old.

Yes people started simply going out on a drive and obtain a toll receipt but it was super chaotic with cops stopping you here and there just looking at your registration number.

These knee-jerk decisions are just a way to mop up some revenue by harassing general public. But then unless we have one nation one tax implemented, these things are going to happen

[Cresterk]

Originally Posted by tilt

The onus is on the cops/RTO /accuser to prove that my car has been inside TS for longer than 30 days. It is not for the accused to prove a negative.

How will they prove their accusation?

CHEERS

Sadly in India it’s the other way around. Cops can just randomly accuse you and it’s on you to prove that you didn’t commit the crime.

[SKC-auto]

Now that Hyderabad ceased to be the joint capital of Andhra and Telangana from June 2nd, 2024, may be this is to harass the vehicles with AP registration. Sad when politicians try to ratchet up local pride against another set of people.

[avira_tk]

Easy explanation, new government - > welfare schemes - > bankruptcy. This is how it works everywhere, car owners are the least threatening target and mostly non beneficiaries of such scams.

[Noctis]

Aren't we legally allowed to move the car anywhere in India for upto 1 year before being required to re-register and repay the tax? What is the legal basis of this 30 day rule?

[saitvsk23]

Originally Posted by SKC-auto

Now that Hyderabad ceased to be the joint capital of Andhra and Telangana from June 2nd, 2024, may be this is to harass the vehicles with AP registration. Sad when politicians try to ratchet up local pride against another set of people.

This is more like a bunch of namesake changes were needed to be made as Telangana State had a new government a few months ago. There was absolutely no reason to get the state designation on the registration plates, it was a well oiled system and was running flawlessly. 10 years ago, it meant a different thing because the states got bifurcated and there was a logical reason to implement a new state and district designation system for the newly formed state. Right now, which is 10 years later, it absolutely makes no sense. And also, all of the RTO systems across Telangana were just getting better, like more and more RTO offices were 'supporting' online transactions instead of having to initiate tasks by visiting offline branches and standing in the queues. Now, it'll just go back to where it all started. RTO's being slow and private 'agents' (read brokers) getting their cut if you want to get things done quicker.

I really, really don't want to be political on this forum but, it is what it is. Us Hyderabadi citizens have to endure this for the next few years. We, at the bare minimum, hope it to be just for a single term because the city folks are absolutely not happy with what happened. People already can see things just going backwards, let's say 10 years.

[thanixravindran]

Isn't this the same slippery path that KA took by coming with an arbitrary 30 day rule and finally got over turned by courts after a legal fight by BHPian.

We had a huge thread on that.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/india...ds-1-year.html (Out-of-state cars can run on Karnataka roads for 1 year!)

I think legal challenge is the only way and arguments should be bolstered citing KA judgement.

[madhavgpai]

Originally Posted by SoumenD

... unless we have one nation one tax implemented, ...

Right? Out of all the One Nation, One Somethings we could have had, this one would have been actually useful...

Originally Posted by Noctis

What is the legal basis of this 30 day rule?

The basis : You have money in your pocket and they want to move that to their pockets.

[MyLife_MyCar]

Originally Posted by tilt

The onus is on the cops/RTO /accuser to prove that my car has been inside TS for longer than 30 days. It is not for the accused to prove a negative.

How will they prove their accusation?

CHEERS

Isn't it easy for them to get the fastag transaction records and see when the vehicle last paid toll while entering Hyderabad? (Unless someone deliberately drives on ORR every 20-25 days to make a fastag transaction )

On a related note, what happens to road tax paid to one's previous state of resident when they move to a new one and get the car registered there?
Do they get a refund or transfer of road tax from old to new state? Or they don't get anything back and are paying additional tax in the new state?

[Raghu M]

All these moves are steps to fill in state government's coffers. If there are rules, people have to follow them, applies both to the police and public. The proposed increase/revision of property registrations and guidance values, seizing out of state vehicles, increased drunk driving checkpoints, challans are all steps to increase state revenue to support the various welfare schemes. Nothing against any government, it's how things are being operated these days.

[84.monsoon]

With GST taking over almost all consumption-based taxation, states have very few sources of revenues in their control. The centre decides if and when the disbursal to states occur for the diminishing GST revenue share that is due to the state. As recent cases by Kerala Government at the Supreme Court showed, the Center has the power to choke off most sources of funds, including the loans proposed to be taken by the State from third parties.

All that the State has left to control are road taxes, property taxes, alcohol sales and fuel sales. The Center has now sounded off last week that it is now also interested in dipping it's large hands into the fuel sales tax pot, by bringing thatnitem also under GST. I think we will increasingly find states taking a tougher stance on road tax, to protect and augment one of their last sources of revenue where they have any control left.

[Vikash Kumawat]

Pay huge road taxes and you can't drive to another state of the country, one can drive his vehicle for 1 year in another state, I hope other states won't follow this rule.

[lurker]

Originally Posted by Highh5

It looks like Telangana RTO will be going to start a drive now to seize overstaying out-of-state vehicles. Articles state that vehicles plying in Telangana for more than 30 days will be impounded or they would have to pay the tax. I see this as an exercise to harass the working class or a way to mop up revenues for funding the freebies. Would like to know what fellow Bhpians think about this?


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Supreme Court is on vacation and many state govts have started doing these stunts