[BashfulKlutz]

Originally Posted by pqr

[b]2024:
#3 Tata :However, another challenge Tata is facing right now is lower than expected sales of Harrier and Safari facelift, which are back to square one. Because in the same segment, the Mahindra XUV 700 still has a better value proposition due to multiple refined and powerful drivetrain options, better in-cabin space, an equivalent list of bells and whistles at a very competitive price point, and not to forget, considerably better reliability.

I loved reading your analysis, PQR Ji! However, not to undermine anything in this analysis and the thread, just to add to it: I'm a little surprised that no one mentioned another challenge Tata Motors will have to face regarding their total dependence on the 2.0 Litre Fiat Multijet engine it uses in its Harrier and Safari cars. There's a possibility that Fiat may discontinue this engine due to supply chain issues onward into the future, as mentioned by Hormazd ji at around the 19:36 timestamp of the video below. Of course, I acknowledge that this is a heavy dose of speculation.

In my opinion, Tata should really not have discontinued their 2.2 Litre Varicor engine, unless there was some genuine engineering-related reason which prevented them from continuing with this engine by making it impractical in likely the emissions aspect, other than this reason mentioned by DRPSREDDY ji (Rumour: Tata Motors developing BS6 2.2-litre diesel engine) about the engine only being able to be mounted in a longitudinal orientation. Side note: I personally really miss the Hexa and the Safari Storme, which is partly why I mentioned the 2.2 Litre Varicor engine.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jtU_1fm7Aqw

[TorqueIndia]

Originally Posted by BashfulKlutz

In my opinion, Tata should really not have discontinued their 2.2 Litre Varicor engine, unless there was some genuine engineering-related reason which prevented them from continuing with this engine by making it impractical in likely the emissions aspect, other than this reason mentioned by DRPSREDDY ji (Rumour: Tata Motors developing BS6 2.2-litre diesel engine) about the engine only being able to be mounted in a longitudinal orientation. Side note: I personally really miss the Hexa and the Safari Storme, which is partly why I mentioned the 2.2 Litre Varicor engine.

That's not the case, 2.2 diesel unit is still on sale today in BS6.2 with a longitudinal config on Tata Yodha 2.2 100ps 250NM and transverse config on Tata Winger 2.2 100ps 200NM for commercial purposes.

[volkman10]

TATA Motors sales fall in June but manages to hold on to its Nr. 3 spot.

Maruti Suzuki: 137,160
Hyundai: 50,103
Tata Motors: 43,524
Mahindra: 40,022

Source: Sales Data

[Venkatesh]

Mahindra, Hyundai and Tata sales comparison.

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Hyundai



Tata

[sharmanova]

Mahindra Sales Crosses 51k In Sep 2024 – Sets New Monthly Record.



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[volkman10]

Mahindra Zoom past Tata Motors in Sept sales. EV sees the lowest figures in 19 months.

With Thar ROXX figures to come in October, Mahindra will consolidate its running for the Nr. 2 slot, while TATA has a lot of catching up to do which is a huge task as nothing new/exciting is in the offing.

Mahindra: 51,062

Tata Motors: 41 313

[Elevate2024]

Hyundai : 51,101

Mahindra: 51,062

Tata : 41,313

Mahindra has closed on the heels of Hyundai. With right mix of products and the growth trajectory, it would be a cakewalk next month for Mahindra to claim no.2

[sharmanova]

TATA Motors sales fall in August, due to which it has slipped to the 4th spot.

Maruti Suzuki: 1,44,962
Hyundai: 51,101
Mahindra: 51,062
Tata Motors: 41,063
Toyota: 26,847
Kia: 23,523

For the traders, stock price of Mahindra has risen by ~2.36% today!

[ferrarirules]

No doubt this is a great feat by Mahindra. Hyundai needs to be worried about the two Indian OEMs. They have a good upcoming product line up, plethora of power train options including EVs, market polarizing niche products.

It is Creta which majorly floats the boat for Hyundai accounting for 35 - 40% of dispatch share. As the competition in the C2 segment increases, the market share will get diluted.

[volkman10]

Mahindra beats Tata Motors in Oct sales.

Mahindra:54,504
Tata Motors: 48,423

[sharmanova]

October 2024 Stats.

Maruti Suzuki: 1,59,591
Hyundai: 55,568
Mahindra: 54,504
Tata Motors: 48,423

[Elevate2024]

Hyundai has just kept Mahindra at bay for 2nd month in a row. Since the IPO is done, I don't think Hyundai will be no 2 next month, especially if you look at the YoY growth. Hyundai has been more or less flat in the past few months while Mahindra has been 25%. Since Thar Roxx deliveries has started and it will be first full month this time, there is more than an even chance for Mahindra to go past Hyundai next month.

[volkman10]

Mahindra's drop in sales leaves the company at Nr. 4, behind Tata motors in Nov sales. Now, all eyes are on the market response to Mahindra's BE vehicles.

[DRPSREDDY]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Mahindra's drop in sales leaves the company at Nr. 4, behind Tata motors in Nov sales. Now, all eyes are on the market response to Mahindra's BE vehicles.

So we should take the October and November overtake with a pinch of salt as the Vahan sales data for both the months was higher for TATA than Mahindra. Tata Motors decreased the dispatches to release stock holding pressures for their dealerships thereby getting the inventory to less than 30 days. Mahindra on the other hand has maintained the same level of stockpile in their showrooms with increase dispatches. That still maintained an average of 60 days of inventory.