[sgmuser]

Originally Posted by AP_1812

What confuses me is the low number from Audi.

Yes, this is really surprising when Merc sells 1500+ per month which itself is a low number for a market like India, it's unfathomable that the Audi delivered (not even sold) a paltry 40+ for a full month. They deserve better for sure. I really wonder how these dealerships are managing (burning non stop cash without knowing whether they can really recoup). Fundamentally, continuous updates and release of newer models are important in the luxury segments to bring that footfalls which might convert into some kind of sales. BMW is doing a great job of bringing sweet variants and they make sure they play to their strength - performance/driving pleasure. Just show one car from Audi or Merc that can compete with M40. I really appreciate the fact that BMW doing their best to bring whatever makes sense and then arming the sales team with great price support. Recently, I was offered a great price for X3 M40i and it was mouth watering for that pinnacle of performance for 3 liter X3. Audi need to copy a thing or two from BMW and see what happens.

[Sids85]

Not many people have noticed on this forum, but from Dec '23 onwards, Tata Safari has outsold the Harrier. In general terms; Safari is cannibalizing the sales of the Harrier. With not much difference between the two models except for a choice of 5 and 7 seats with a difference of around 1-2 lakhs OTR, Tata definitely need to re-strategise where it wants to market Harrier vis a vis the Safari.

[sunikkat]

Originally Posted by Sids85

Not many people have noticed on this forum, but from Dec '23 onwards, Tata Safari has outsold the Harrier. In general terms; Safari is cannibalizing the sales of the Harrier.

Agree, and for that matter I don’t remember seeing a new Harrier on roads, even in a city like Bangalore. It’s always Safari instead of Harrier.

[Gaur]

Originally Posted by mk600

However in real life, while I see significant Creata and XUV700s in large numbers, I don't see that many Scorpio (N or Classic) in Bangalore or outside immediate Bangalore.

Which brings me the question: What is your observation in other cities? Is the Scorpio selling mostly in cities in North India vs South? or selling mostly in rural India?.

I drive a Scorpio N here in Mumbai and just like you observed in Bangalore I see more Cretas/XUV700's here in Mumbai as well compared to ScorpioN but recently i visited my native in U.P and i could see a lot of Scorpio Classics followed by decent enough number of lower variants (Z2/Z4) of Scorpio N.

Comparatively Creta and XUV700 were fewer, spoke to my cousins to understand the current trend and it was clear people prefer robust/rugged vehicles and Mahindra/Scorpio has created a image for itself so there clearly appears to be a bias for Scorpio Classic/N in north India.

Another observation was very few Harriers/safari spotted there, probably people don't feel its butch enough or low value for money compared to Mahindras.

[speedguy]

Interesting month to say the least. Who would have even dreamt 3 years ago that a Tata car would top the chart..!

That brings me to my main point which I've been voicing over & over again.

We at Team-BHP needs to stop cribbing about engines being non enthusiastic. Mass market people doesn't want high revving, high power tyre burners. They want a solid vehicle, good looks, good features & Okie-dokie engine with good fuel efficiency. Punch ticks all the boxes there hence the rise in sales is evident
Ofcourse, I am not saying Punch will rule the numero uno spot forever, but you have to agree that the vehicle is doing fantastic.

[supertinu]

Originally Posted by Sids85

Not many people have noticed on this forum, but from Dec '23 onwards, Tata Safari has outsold the Harrier. In general terms; Safari is cannibalizing the sales of the Harrier. With not much difference between the two models except for a choice of 5 and 7 seats with a difference of around 1-2 lakhs OTR, Tata definitely need to re-strategise where it wants to market Harrier vis a vis the Safari.

In my view this is no different than XUV700 selling 5 & 7 seater variants. Mostly components are common between Harrier and Safari, infact Harrier even has 3rd row seating mounts. Tata wouldnt mind as long as customer picks from its offering. I feel Tata has edge with slightly different body styling it can focus on younger audience with Harrier and larger families with Safari.

Originally Posted by Gaur

I drive a Scorpio N here in Mumbai and just like you observed in Bangalore I see more Cretas/XUV700's here in Mumbai as well compared to ScorpioN but recently i visited my native in U.P and i could see a lot of Scorpio Classics followed by decent enough number of lower variants (Z2/Z4) of Scorpio N.

In north India Mahindra as a brand used to be more viewed with ruggedness and less with premiumness, maybe that also is factor. Tier1 city urban population is different in purchase that way.

[Lokesh Soni]

Trend of 4wheeler sales has changed alot, no more is top5 selling vehicles predictable.
> New class: Hybrids like Hycross, Hyryder, Grandvitara are also doing good. Maruti will do crazy if it offers strong hybrids in <10L segments.
> Hope Sedans are celebrated more, it will take some time.
> Scorpio crazy sales: I think because of elections and activities around it.

Most I am curious about is what will be more successful: Hybrid or EV, in cars, in next 3-4 years

[navinmra]

Tata is firmly in the saddle after many years of making forgetful cars like Manza and bolt and zest and endlessly nurturing the nano instead of upgrading it. I live next to a Tata Motors dealership and have seen the change over the years. The crowds thronging to the showroom these days is to be seen to be believed. Mind you, these buyers are not the sophisticated discerning petrolheads kind with disposable incomes. They are the young and aspiring buyers who come with their extended families and kids as if on a picnic. TaMo has cracked the code on understanding the Indian buyer. As good as Maruti.

[Mr.Independent]

Originally Posted by niranjanprabhu

2. The Hyundai Creta comes in with all time high sales of 16,458 and the Mahindra Scorpio-N with sales of 15,151. Remember these are cars with an estimated median on-road price of 20 lakhs or more. Of ALL cars sold, Creta ranked 2nd and the Scorpio-N, 7th.

Originally Posted by mk600

I see that Scorpio shows up steady 12k-15K over many months now, almost at 80% of Creta volumes & 200% of XUV700 volumes. It has been 6th most selling vehicle.

However in real life, while I see significant Creata and XUV700s in large numbers, I don't see that many Scorpio (N or Classic) in Bangalore or outside immediate Bangalore.

Which brings me the question: What is your observation in other cities? Is the Scorpio selling mostly in cities in North India vs South? or selling mostly in rural India? Also, Similar to Innova and Innova Hycross, would be great to see a split of Scorpio Classic and Scorpio-N.

I think 15k+ number includes both Scorpio N + Classic. Not too sure what's the break up there, but if i may guess it should 50-50. Maybe N buyers are moslty from urban areas & classic from the rural sides.

[sk1983]

No Hybrid in Elevate is costly miss I believe compare to the sales of Maruthi GV, Toyota Hy-Ryder and Hy-Cross. Honda's Hybrid tech is far superior than Toyota's 3 Cylinder Hybrid tech.

[sud153]

Originally Posted by sk1983

No Hybrid in Elevate is costly miss I believe compare to the sales of Maruthi GV, Toyota Hy-Ryder and Hy-Cross. Honda's Hybrid tech is far superior than Toyota's 3 Cylinder Hybrid tech.

Hopefully, having six airbags as standard will help Elevate sales, or at least stabilize the number at 3k. *Hybrid would have helped, of course. I was talking to salespeople last week, and they said they don't see EV coming in 2025, despite Honda's promise.

[saket77]

Originally Posted by JunkyardHunter

The steady death of the Honda City (and other sedans for that matter) worries me greatly. I have always been a sedan guy, and it truly saddens me to see that brands that are iconic for their sedans either do not have a sedan in their lineup (looking at you Toyota) or iconic sedans' sales (Verna, City) are being cannibalised by better-selling and more profitable crossover SUVs.

Not optimistic about the future for these cars.

And 10 years later we all will be cribbing that they don’t make and sell any good sedans here like developed markets and how our Indian market is devoid of the driving dynamics that sedans offer and how these automakers are ill treating our markets.

[sk1983]

Originally Posted by sud153

Hopefully, having six airbags as standard will help Elevate sales, or at least stabilize the number at 3k. *Hybrid would have helped, of course. I was talking to salespeople last week, and they said they don't see EV coming in 2025, despite Honda's promise.

I think Honda management is rethinking about EV launch since EV's are not showing any sales growth strongly worldwide. Japanese companies (E.g. Toyota) are strongly supporting Hybrid tech. Down the line 3 to 4 years, there will be clarity on whether the world market would accept EV or Hybrid. But Honda should launch more SUV models with more engine options to stay relevant in Indian Market. As a Civic (2012) owner, I felt they lost their good business in India. Otherwise, they are the number one premium car maker in India for middle-class people.

[shyampsunder]

Originally Posted by sk1983

I think Honda management is rethinking about EV launch since EV's are not showing any sales growth strongly worldwide.

Would suggest doing some proof reading and research before posting such statements.

In Q1 2024, worldwide EV sales growth was 21% YoY with 3 million vehicles sold. link

Forget about growing, global ICE vehicles sales have been going down every year since 2017. This includes Plugin and Strong Hybrids. link

So the real question to ask is how long manufacturers are going to bother investing in a shrinking market?

[Raghuwire]

Originally Posted by Asoon

Hyundai's reliance on Creta is dangerous, i10, i20, Alcazar, Verna niot doing well, Exter and Venue are the decent performers. A manufacturer at second position needs to have multiple champion products. You look at TATA, it has an evenly distributed sales across the offerings, which reduces risk. What if Mahindra or TATA comes up with a potent XUV500 or Blackbird and do what punch, nexon, XUV700, Thar did in their respective segments

Yes, Hyundai is reliant on Creta, But like Hyundai, even Tata has only 2 blockbusters, Nexon and Punch. Other than these two, Tiago, Tigor, Altroz, Harrier and Safari are doing good, but not necessarily a hit in their segment. wagonR/Alto do much more than Tiago. Dzire is is different league compared to Tigor. Altroz though a wonderful product is not doing as well as Baleno. So Hyundai and Tata are in same boat I feel.

Mahindra is the only outlier where they have multiple hits like XUV700, Scorpio, Thar and Bolero dominating the segments.