[Nithesh_M]

Originally Posted by aniketi

6. IMHO Ignis is little better built than Wagon R. All panel feel sturdy when pressed with hand.
7. Ignis certainly looks more premium.

I agree. Even though for my build the Wagon R makes a lot of sense for ingress, egress and headroom I cannot come to terms with how flimsy the Wagon R feels throughout its existence. It feels like the whole body shell is lacking the thickness and strength all around it and that coupled with the puny tyres relative to its tall stance always makes me feel like a tyre blowout on the highway means I may not be insulated enough to survive a roll over situation (for context: My Brother in law had a Tata Nano, another tall boy with puny tyres which suffered a puncture within city limits while descending a steep hill curve and the car turtled itself and only owing to the fact that the car rolled down the slope and kept momentum he managed to walk out of it with a cast on his elbow)

I reckon the Japanese market Wagon R is relatively better built considering the tuners in Japan manage to engine swap and put a lot more power than stock engine without structural modification to the chassis.

The Ignis to me is what the Brio was but only taller and maybe more peppier. Wish Suzuki redesigned the tailllamp and boot area or even built a Brezza sized suv with the same styling.

[shancz]

The crux of this question lies in the customer profile.
How many of the "younger" buyers would opt for the wagonR ?
I have one with me but its not mine, its ours, used regularly by my father and occasionally by me when all of us have to go out.

Some points from my experience and also a rejected attempt to "upgrade" to the Ignis :
1. Ignis's looks aren't to everyone's taste, especially the elders while the wagonR is neutral.
2. On the inside, the perceived feeling of space is much greater in the wagonR as compared to the Ignis.
3. The USPs of Ignis don't resonate with elders, like the dash layout, backlighting, interior colours and the amazing K12
4. Rear somehow feels a bit cramped and also stiff.
5. The protruding wheel arches are scratch prone, especially in T2 traffic and I've seen a lot of them with scraped wheel arches on at least one side.
6. Not very important for most people, but you can't service it at a MASS and update service history as this is a NEXA car.

All these points exist because the target customer for the Ignis is an urban, young-middle aged who wants a compact city runner with some dose of fun and "SUV" looks(which I disagree with) but within Maruti's service envelope.
But if I am that buyer, why would I settle for the Ignis ?
That buyer is inundated with options and considering their capacity to extend their budget and ambitions, what the Ignis is doing for that old a car is respectable in my books but probably a failure in Maruti's

[Knightrider]

Originally Posted by aniketi

Recently my friend (neighbor actually) in society purchased Wagon R AMT for his wife.

Hello neighbour, small world isn't it?

I have shared how we short listed and finalized WagonR for our requirement in this post:

WagonR buying decision (Maruti WagonR : Official Review)

Originally Posted by aniketi

I was surprised to know that he paid 7.75 Lakhs for it (not top end). Recently I purchased My Ignis Zeta for 7.9 Lakhs.

If you see current on-road prices (without discounts), WagonR ZXI AGS goes around 8L in Pune.
Ignis Zeta AMT costs around 8.7L. So it is almost a difference of 70k between the two for the additional features you mentioned.
Swift VXI AGS goes for around 8.8L. So you can get a bigger car at just 10k more. I feel Swift is a better option if budget can be stretched beyond 8L.

Originally Posted by aniketi

Advantages Ignis -

Now, most of the advantages/ features you listed are good to have and not must have for city use except for rear wiper, defogger I feel.

Plus the resale value of Ignis would be much lesser than that of WagonR. And there are high chances that Ignis will get axed soon.

My wife and parents are very happy with the WagonR for the ease of ingress - egress and all round visibility. The rear seat is placed a little higher compared to front seats. And the colour that we got is definitely a head turner and nowhere closer to the cabs we keep on seeing around. All this in a strict budget of 8L was a perfect choice for us.

[Maverick Avi]

In an era where people's choice is easily swayed by just a sunroof, having 10 points in favor of a particular car might not actually result in making it a bestseller because just a couple of features might be all it takes to turn the table.

I had taken back to back test drives of Ignis and Wagon R and could easily feel that Wagon R has much better space management specially at the back. I am 6 feet tall and with the driver seat adjusted to my driving position the back space is just humongous. Secondly, the all round visibility is much better. Third, ingress and seating position is at a perfect height. Finally the suspension of Wagon R is softer and perfect for city commute. Once I clearly felt these differences I just forgot all other bells and whistles that would come in a high variant Ignis. No points for guessing but Wagon R 1.2 AMT is what I bought and am thoroughly satisfied with the purchase!!

[chinkara]

Originally Posted by aniketi

Advantage Wagon R -

1. It has little more space than Ignis inside. It's little taller than Ignis.
2. It has little more boot space.

Advantages Ignis -

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9. I have driven both and found Ignis has better highway manners. In fact it surprises you on highway with its peppiness and tight handling.
10. Though Wagon R has some more space, ignis isn't short on space too. Its a quite spacious car in its category.

Choice is personal. Last year (before buying the Tiago) we test drove the Ignis. Personally the 3 advantages of Wagon R - entry and seating ergonomics, interior space and boot space trumps all the advantages of Ignis listed here except highway handling. The rest are all "perception" or "convenience" parameters (like infotainment, keyless entry) which are not very important to me.

[schumi_pete]

My father-in-law has an Ignis as his urban ride in Bangalore, and I was impressed when I took it out for drives within the city when I was in Bangalore last August for vacation. The peppy engine and the very good handling were nice little suprises. What really stood out for me is that the Ignis can take a lot of abuse from the roads in Bangalore.. I had the impression that you are permanently off-roading in Bangalore given the road situation !

I was also pleasantly surprised by the solid build quality for a Maruti. I haven't experienced the new generation Wagon R in the flesh, but I know the older generations intimately, having had close family owning the car, and the build quality of the older generation Wagon R's were nothing to write home about. Completely agree with the ease of ingress/egress for older folks when it comes to the Wagon R though.

If I were considering a city car in India, the Ignis will probably be one of the options at the top of my list.

[subie_socal]

Originally Posted by for_cars1

This compact boxy design gives great visibility and that makes it especially elderly driver/occupant friendly.

I felt the contrary. That dashboard design, which seems too upright, makes me uneasy always. Perhaps the only tall boy hatchbacks which did right in India were the Ritz and first gen Santro. The only advantage of that flat panel/boxy design is that it was easier when negotiable tight turns in narrow lanes, which wasn't the case with the Ritz with its protruding wheel arches from the rear. But visibility wise, 2010 model was not good.

[vnabhi]

When my 65 year old brother wanted to replace his aging 2003 WagonR in 2020, i strongly suggested the Ignis, mainly for its K12 engine, and the better build quality and dynamics.

However, he found out that even the WagonR had a 1.2 offering that was cheaper than the Ignis, and far more roomier. He bought the WagonR zxi + for 7.8 lakhs OTR in Vizag and is very happy with it. I too drove it in Vizag and also on a 700 km highway trip and came back impressed with the torquey engine. The pickup on the highway was far better than the 1st gen Wagonr's, but in city driving, the 1st gen one had better grunt. What also impreseed me was that while driving, my elbow was not brushing against the co-passenger's elbow, as the car was wider. This used to be an issue in the older generation WagonR.

I was also amazed that 3 adults could squeeze into the rear seat and the boot could hold the luggage of all 5 of us. I found the boot space to me almost on par with that on my Ecosport. I'm pretty sure the Ignis doesn't have this much of boot space, or as much space in the rear seat.

And that variant had all the features like wired android auto, bluetooth music, Suzuki connect, etc, that were wrongly listed as missing in the opening post. Perhaps those are not there in the lower variants. So now i know why the Iginis is losing out to the WagonR.

[jayram.r]

[quote=Knightrider;5730273]Hello neighbour, small world isn't it?

I have shared how we short listed and finalized WagonR for our requirement in this post:
/QUOTE]

I completely agree. The actual worthy differences that make Ignis a better car is only the top variant which gives hill hold assist, ACC & seat height adjust which are very useful and cannot be fitted aftermarket.

On every other area be it space, ingress, egress, brand recall, Wagon R is better.

On a lighter note, if you are indeed going to sit in an air conditioned rickshaw, you might as well get the one which is roomier

[AntPaul]

Originally Posted by aniketi

Advantage Wagon R -

1. It has little more space than Ignis inside. It's little taller than Ignis.
2. It has little more boot space.

Advantages Ignis -

6. IMHO Ignis is little better built than Wagon R. All panel feel sturdy when pressed with hand.
8. Though interiors are more or less same quality, due to some metal parts and Infotainment system, Ignis certainly looks more premium.

Both uses same 1.2 K series engine and both gets good, trusted Maruti A.S.S.

I purchased an Ignis Zeta AMT in 2022 for my wife despite the car not even being in my shortlist of car any point in time. It was an enquiry for Baleno that brought Ignis into the equation. It was mostly forgotten in my mind till then.

Why I did not consider Wagon R are, in the order of priority.
1) Poor NVH: WagonR gets lesser NVH package than ignis. No hood insulation. Its perceivably noisier than Ignis. Ignis to my ears was as quite as Swift, not as good as Baleno.
2) Looks/Image: Ignis was the agreeable to both me and my wife. I find WagonR acceptable.
3) Value: Ignis was clearly more value for money. Thanks mostly to using the older K12 engine. More on this later.

What I learned about WagonR after I purchased Ignis:
1) WagonR has bigger and better shaped rear door aperture. I found Ignis door aperture to be lacking getting my sleeping kid in/out of rear child seat.
2) While Ignis drives well on highway, rear seat comfort over bad city roads is not good. Rear suspension travel/spring size is small. Not sure where WagonR stands on this front.
3) WagonR has more efficient engine. More in this later.
4) WagonR front seats are much less supportive.

Would I chose Ignis over WagonR if I had to make a similar choice again?
Yes, until WagonR 1.2 Zxi is made cheaper.

On a side note, little on an often quoted statement.

"Both uses same 1.2 K series engine"

Not All K12s are same.
Ignis uses K12M, the oldest one in production now. Wagon is using K12N, and evolution on K12M.

K12M PETROL ENGINE
• Variable Valve Timing (VVT)
• Fuel efficiency of 20.89 km/l* in Ignis
• Peak power 61kW@6000rpm
• Maximum Torque 113Nm@4200rpm
• Available in: Ignis

K12N PETROL ENGINE
• Advanced Dual Jet engine with Dual VVT (Variable Valve Timing) technology
• First-in-segment idle start-stop (ISS) function
• Dual-Injector
• Best in Class Fuel efficiency of 23.56 km/l* (Manual Transmission) and 24.43 km/l* (Auto Gear Shift) in WagonR 1.2L
• Peak power 66kW@6000rpm
• Maximum Torque 113Nm@4400rpm
• Available in: Swift, Baleno, WagonR (1.2L) & Fronx

^^Source: https://www.marutisuzuki.com/corpora...hnology/engine

PS:
1) Swift and party rumored to have Iridium spark plugs as well.
3) I also gather the compression ratios are different in different cars, Ignis having least which swift having highest. ie: K12M < K12N. But cant find reliable source to quote.
4): While K12N produces more peak torque are 6000rpm reflecting in nearly 10% higher power than K12M as same rpm, It should be noted that K12M produces its peak torque 200rpm earlier in its rev range than K12N. You can make your own inferences.

Thanks,
Antony

[Manualpurist]

[quote=AntPaul;5730550 highest. ie: K12M < K12N < K12C.

[/QUOTE]

There is no such thing as K12C.

[AntPaul]

Originally Posted by Manualpurist

There is no such thing as K12C.

You could be right. I see no such things as K12C in any maruti suzuki website/brochure. But lot of reference to K12C in websites including autocar india and our own.

[Gaur]

Originally Posted by aniketi

As we know, Wagon R is a very popular car here in India for last more than 20 years now. It has done so many records of the sales, and doing more and more every year with its blockbuster sales. It's tallboy design is very user friendly and it makes it a perfect city car backed up by Maruti A.S.S. Current model is spacious too and has good boot space. Being sold in numbers, Maruti takes advantage of it and it's price has increased considerably in last few years.

Recently my friend (neighbor actually) in society purchased Wagon R AMT for his wife. I was surprised to know that he paid 7.75 Lakhs for it (not top end). Recently I purchased My Ignis Zeta for 7.9 Lakhs. I keenly inspected his car and found below things -

Advantage Wagon R -

1. It has little more space than Ignis inside. It's little taller than Ignis.
2. It has little more boot space.

Advantages Ignis -

1. It has OEM Infotainment system which is really good, supports Android Auto and Apple Carplay. You can play wireless music & do other things. Only for maps you have to connect to Phone with wire which is ok.
2. True keyless entry and Engine start stop button. Really good to have feature for sure, feels premium. It comes with 2 remote keys.
3. It comes with black sporty Alloy wheels which costs 25-30 K if you want to get from outside.
4. Electric OVRM's which is again a very good to have feature.
5. It comes with rear wiper and washer too.
6. IMHO Ignis is little better built than Wagon R. All panel feel sturdy when pressed with hand.
7. Ignis has family car image whereas Wagon R has typical cab image now. IMO Ignis looks better than Wagon R, it has some sporty looks and has small SUV feel.
8. Though interiors are more or less same quality, due to some metal parts and Infotainment system, Ignis certainly looks more premium.
9. I have driven both and found Ignis has better highway manners. In fact it surprises you on highway with its peppiness and tight handling.
10. Though Wagon R has some more space, ignis isn't short on space too. Its a quite spacious car in its category.

Considering above points, I personally feel Ignis makes more sense over Wagon R for personal use. Both uses same 1.2 K series engine and both gets good, trusted Maruti A.S.S.

If anyone is interested in buying small car like Wagon R, please have a look at Ignis please. Also Maruti offers good exchange bonus and free accessories which makes deal more sweeter. Currently they are offering good discounts too and mostly its readily available too.

Last year we replaced our Wagon R with a Ignis Zeta for precisely the same reasons you mentioned.

Add to it bigger wheels and higher ground clearance compare to Wagon R.

One major advantage Wagon-R has is the CNG version which Ignis doesn't, large no. of sales of wagon-r are from CNG version i believe.

For some reasons its an extremely underrated/under sold vehicle, it has very good potential if marketed properly.

My father wanted us to replace the Wagon-r with another wagon-r but now he is a Ignis fan, so much that he keeps on recommending it in his friend -circle now.

[chinmaypillay]

Another advantage for the Ignis over the WagonR would be the adjustable headrests I believe, not sure but most of the R's seem to not have it in the top end models also.

Seats are more comfortable in Ignis than WagonR which seems to be thinned out for maximum space.

And I personally prefer the older K12 series the Ignis comes with since it is more lively, the new dual jet seems to be very dull in comparison.

WagonR is the basic no nonsense vehicle, seem to notice a lot of them as cabs nowadays. Ignis has some exclusivity and being Maruti, parts sharings and service shouldn't be a problem.

[BoneCollector]

We have a 2012 Blue eyed Wagon R VXI with ABS and airbags. It's performing it's duty the way it should, with odo hovering around 60K kms. It's a city roundabout for us, having hit the highway just once in last 5 years. It's a superb car for a small 3 tier city with narrow lanes and bylanes. A couple of years back, we thought of replacing it with either the new Wagon R or the Ignis. Although that plan was dropped, we were in favour of the Ignis. The new Wagon R may be little bigger than the Ignis but it didn't feel as well built as my 2012 one. No offence to current or prospective owners of new Wagon R. I don't know why but it was not appearing like a similar purchase, rather a downgrade. As of now, with some regular issues at home, the plan is indefinitely postponed. But like the OP, my suggestion would be to go for the Ignis over the Wagon R.