[Gupts007]

Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain

Maruti better make these discounts official, going into 2024. Else, Jimny is destined to go the SCross 1.6 way.

Just yesterday I had a work with the manager at local Nexa whom I had called for another job. I had a casual discussion with him and he was firmly of the view that Maruti will drop the prices soon and make it official. He said S cross pricing fiasco also had had a similar price drop. We should know what the honchos at Maruti think in a few weeks/months from now.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by Himalayan_Ice

You know the workhorse in remote mountains? The Alto.

WHERE else are you going to take that "capability" of the jimny? To the neighbourhood OTR course? FYI, the alto can do that too.

I wasn't aware that roads in this mountain that you are talking about are so good that all you need is an Alto, that's great. But here we are looking at places that would rip the Alto into unrecognisable pieces, so a Jimny would be more appropriate. Afterall we all want to go back home in the same vehicle.

So I think it's time to put this Alto can do phenomenon to rest for good, if Alto would do then your use does not need a Jimny, it's that simple.

[MobileThunder]

Originally Posted by wooka

Taking about fatigue, the thar beats the Jimny - I'll tell you why. And I really tried to sell the car to the household but some things are irrefutable.

I had picked up my Jimny Zeta AT in Hyderabad on the 23-Dec-2023 by trading my Jan-2020 Ertiga AT (with 51k ODO). I had immediately started on an unplanned solo 5k trip - travelling to Vizag - Bhubaneswar - Chandipur - Asansol- Deoghar - Banaras - Ujjain - Omkareshwar -Nashik - Bhimashankar - Shirdi- Verul - Hyderabad trip. I can happily report zero fatigue, which is very surprising (even to the die-hard Jimny fan in me).

Now mind you, this is the exact opposite use-case of why I picked up the Jimny. I never had to use the 4H option during the entire trip, which means that this trip could have been done on any pseudo SUVs. However, once you know the limitations of your car and then adapt your driving style. This Car is pure bliss.

I have seen huge interest in the Jimny with people waving at me, taking selfies whenever I have parked at any dhabas, kids with big smiles stopping me and requesting a ride, cops pulling me over to ask the standard - kya price hai - kitna deti hai. Jimny is the new girl everyone wants to check-out/date, but no one wants to bring home because they can't convince the home/finance minister.

Quite content to have the Jimny in my garage and enjoying my drives with it. While the analysts pan it/ dissect it ad-nauseam.

[srinitdas]

The Jimny is definitely a market failure by Maruti standards. That probably is the way it was meant to be. After all, Maruti cannot have every product doing 10000+ numbers. For me, Jimny is the natural successor of Gypsy. Gypsy never sold Thar numbers, neither will Jimny. It carries forward a legacy that will always be Maruti's own niche. Folks who are happy with just swag, can continue buying Thar 4x2. Jimny trying to mimic that will be an insult to the current niche owners who appreciate the legend. So if Jimny does 1K monthly sales, without losing its soul, then that's a successful legacy. Maruti has multiple other models to play the numbers game. It is a good thing every other car on the is not a Jimny with chhapri lights and low profile tyres on oversized rims. There are people who appreciate unique, niche and exclusive products that don't have have luxury car pricing. And don't forget the Maruti peace of mind. It is worth paying a premium for.

[Catamaran]

Originally Posted by Himalayan_Ice

1. Jimny is being built in India and is being exported to other markets.

The price of top end Alpha AT @14.9 Lakhs ex-showroom is approximately 25 to 30% cheaper than the price in other markets. That explains the saving in import tax, logistics transportation etc. May be they could price it a bit more aggressively, but without volumes, I'm not sure this will ever happen.

To speak about the interior quality, number of cup holders, anemic engine, gearbox etc., we have to take note that the Jymny is designed by Suzuki and not Maruti, started production in the 70s' and the one for which the company is proud of, not because of sales, but due to the fact that no other manufacture has something similar.

Maruti has only created a 5 Door version out of the original 3D Jimny. The Indian Jimny is of the same quality, design, safety, engine, gearbox and 4x4 tech as the ones sold globally. Therefore talking about Maruti improving the quality, putting a turbo and a 6 speed GB, more cup holders etc. can only remain as wishes, unless they create a separate India spec Jimny.

Cancelling the Jimny and buying a Sonet is what most people will do, and that is why Jimny sells a fraction of the Sonet / Brezza / Venue. These are cars for the masses and not Jimny competitor by any means.

The Jimny is not known for volumes anywhere in the world. It is a niche car and will remain so, due to all the reasons already explained.

[wheelspinner]

Just checked with the local Nexa showroom. Seems like they slashed the discount by half. It's now just 1L but the dealer is very eager to negotiate on the table.

[Turbanator]

While comparing prices overseas, we must also pay attention to taxes. Just the GST portion is about 50%. So technically, if Maruti reduces MRP by 2 Lac, they must only reduce the ex-factory prices by 1,3 lac.

At reduced rates of around 12 lac Ex-showroom, Maruti is getting only 8 Lac, and the rest will be GST. This is less than 10,000 USD, and nowhere in the world is there a new car at that amount.

[FrozeninTime]

Maruti Jimny discounts to be reduced from January 2024 according Shashank Shrivastava, Senior Executive Officer, Marketing and Sales, Maruti Suzuki. Moreover, the brand will not reduce the prices of the SUV to harvest sales. Additionally, last month, Maruti Suzuki announced a price hike across its range, which is set to be applicable this month. The quantum of the hike will be revealed soon.

Source:Carwale
https://www.carwale.com/news/maruti-...-january-2024/

[fiat_tarun]

Originally Posted by Turbanator

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At reduced rates of around 12 lac Ex-showroom, Maruti is getting only 8 Lac, and the rest will be GST. This is less than 10,000 USD, and nowhere in the world is there a new car at that amount.

Thank you for this. Had posted this on the Jimny South Africa launch thread. The invoice price from MSIL to the dealer for an Alpha AT (pre-discount) was INR 10.26L and over this you have the 45% GST + the 10-20% road tax.

The Jimny sold in South Africa retails at around 19L INR where only a 25% import duty is applicable.

[RDS]

Originally Posted by fiat_tarun

The invoice price from MSIL to the dealer for an Alpha AT (pre-discount) was INR 10.26L and over this you have the 45% GST + the 10-20% road tax.

The Jimny sold in South Africa retails at around 19L INR where only a 25% import duty is applicable.

Well, I don't think the invoice is from MSIL to dealer. 10.26L is the price for customer without GST and TCS. Once GST is added, it becomes ex-showroom.

For MSIL to dealer, it would be lesser and if I remember the dealer's system I was able to look at one of Nexa showroom's, MSIL's dealer invoice for Alpha AT was 13.90L approx.

With Maruti giving financial support through latest schemes, I assume that dealer's got their pricing reduced to 12.90L (+some more for accessories.)

End customer would get after adding Warranty+Insurance+Road Tax on top of Ex-showroom (15 approx.).

Assuming 2L minimum discount on Alpha AT overall, I have to say buyers in December genuinely got very good deal.

[DAYDREAMER]

While all the points raised are valid. But I think the engine and gearbox offered by suzuki is the main culprit.

[pgsagar]

Life will become even more difficult for Jimny this year. Slew of new vehicles is coming, from Hyundai, Kia, Tata etc. They may not be in Thar/Jimny class but cross-shopping is quite common these days. I have seen people checking out cars as divergent as Sonet/Nexon to Creta/Vitara to even lower variants of Harrier/XUV700. That's a three-level segment-mix.

Jimny is a niche car which are generally bought by cash-loaded folks. Spending 17-18 lakh on a second/third car which you drive in hills occasionally, is a rich man's game, who has to be young and rich and have spades of free time to engage in weekend fun. Even such guys get bored after a few months and sell off and move to bigger better things. Also, most rich dudes who have multiple cars (mostly powerful) don't like an underpowered car (they are not used to being beaten by everyone on road OR struggling to overtake others). Long highway drive to hills has to be enjoyable, too. How many of us load up on a trailer to take it to hills?

Gypsy was launched in mid-80s when there were hardly any powerful cars in India. It's a totally different scenario today. You have turbos, DSGs zooming up and down the roads. Trust me, lack of power will hit you like a brick of wall once the initial novelty wears off. In this day and time, it is difficult to live with under-powered cars (every other shortcoming like looks, features can be lived with). Ok, let me clarify something here. When I say power, it is not to hit crazy speeds but to be able to overtake a crawling bus or auto-rickshaw. To be able to fill that spot which just opened up in front of you which needs to be filled in, before it's taken.

Lastly, the biggest challenge to Jimny is from 4-door Thar. If 2-door Thar can cause this much sensation, imagine what a 4-door Thar can. Sure, it will be pricier than Jimny but I am sure there will be at least one bare-bone variant which will be within striking distance of Jimny. And these days, people are willing to pay bigger bucks to buy bigger cars. The bigger the better. Who thought that Tata and Mahindra would be selling cars costing 30 lakhs with ease?

[DriverR]

Originally Posted by Himalayan_Ice

You know the workhorse in remote mountains? The Alto.

I have been to the hills of North India (Himachal), East India (Sikkim, North Bengal), and North East (Arunachal, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Manipur), and I have to say that I had been initially surprised by the number of Altos that ply as taxis in this places. Maybe it is the high power to wt ratio, or ease of maintenance, or even the small width, I don't know, but people of the hills rely on the Alto (and recently from my trip to Darjeeling, Wagon R and SPresso) a lot as taxis. This is not to say that other brands are not used as cabs. One can visually see that Altos make a up a large number of the taxi fleets. I see that Innovas are used for the hotel bookings or tour packages, while the Altos are used for the daily point to point (or shared) taxi routes.

A vehicle like Jimny will never become a mass hill-road transporter, but will remain a niche product. Is it worth buying? Not for me as I am a city dweller but as long as someone finds a use for it, it would sell...just not in large numbers, I feel, unless it get a defence contract like the Gypsy.

[Aroy]

Originally Posted by DriverR

I have been to the hills of North India (Himachal), East India (Sikkim, North Bengal), and North East (Arunachal, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Manipur), and I have to say that I had been initially surprised by the number of Altos that ply as taxis in this places. Maybe it is the high power to wt ratio, or ease of maintenance, or even the small width, I don't know, but people of the hills rely on the Alto (and recently from my trip to Darjeeling, Wagon R and SPresso) a lot as taxis. This is not to say that other brands are not used as cabs. One can visually see that Altos make a up a large number of the taxi fleets. I see that Innovas are used for the hotel bookings or tour packages, while the Altos are used for the daily point to point (or shared) taxi routes.

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What works for Alto (and the older Omni) is

. Width
. Tight turning circle
. Low cost

Negociating twisty roads in hills desires the first two points. Wider vehicles with larger turning circle are are a pain. Of course low cost matters a lot for taxi operations.

Jimny cannot compete on any of the points with Alto. Where is excells is extremely rough roads, muddy trails and very steep inclines. That is for specialist environment, not for tousist destinations.

[cool_dube]

Originally Posted by pgsagar

Trust me, lack of power will hit you like a brick of wall once the initial novelty wears off. In this day and time, it is difficult to live with under-powered cars (every other shortcoming like looks, features can be lived with).

Spot on! This aspect did hit me like a brick wall within the first 3-4 months of my ownership of the Ford Endeavour 2.0 lit. I did try to convince myself during the multiple test drives I took, that I'll be able to ignore the abysmal performance of the engine in lieu of all other areas where the Endeavour shines - excellent ride, great handling, pleasant interiors, etc but I was only fooling myself I found myself selling the Endeavour within 8 months of ownership just because getting to cruising speeds (and I am talking about 90-100 kmph, not insane speeds) from stops as well as overtaking on 2-lane roads was proving to be an excruciating exercise. I just couldn't take it anymore. Unless one is perpetually in a state of Nirvana, it is very difficult to live with an underpowered car in today's times.