[autobahnjpr]

The slide of sales numbers of ALTO continues and it looks like that this segment may slowly phase out and be replaced by the PUNCH, C3, IGNIS segment. This will surely indicate rising income levels and higher aspiration levels of the people who view car as part of their daily life and not something which is a depreciating asset.

If baleno and fronx sales numbers are clubbed, the total would dwarf all the other models and higher than many companies' sales combined together. Tata has 4 vehicles in the top 20 and the only thing holding them back from second spot is their inability to compete in the creta segment. If only, they could bring a good selling product there, then for sure, they will have the second highest market share.

With so many choices across various price points, it truly is confusing for a new car buyer. It is a nice confusion to have.

[Bhodrolok]

Originally Posted by autobahnjpr

With so many choices across various price points, it truly is confusing for a new car buyer. It is a nice confusion to have.

This I do not agree with all. All our choices are limited to SUVs, psuedo SUVs and hatches posing as SUVs. Every other type of vehicles is dying as we start filling our roads with more and more "SUVs".

[Carma2017]

Originally Posted by autobahnjpr

The slide of sales numbers of ALTO continues and it looks like that this segment may slowly phase out and be replaced by the PUNCH, C3, IGNIS segment. This will surely indicate rising income levels and higher aspiration levels of the people who view car as part of their daily life and not something which is a depreciating asset.

If baleno and fronx sales numbers are clubbed, the total would dwarf all the other models and higher than many companies' sales combined together. Tata has 4 vehicles in the top 20 and the only thing holding them back from second spot is their inability to compete in the creta segment. If only, they could bring a good selling product there, then for sure, they will have the second highest market share.

With so many choices across various price points, it truly is confusing for a new car buyer. It is a nice confusion to have.

This is exactly why we need to track used car sales. What is actually happening (probably) is that people are forgoing craze for a new small car and replacing that with a decent specced older used car. This trend masks true need of customer in the market and hence provides a misleading picture in terms of sales numbers.

Also, as it was pointed out in Jimny thread, when we track used car sales by car models, we will actually come to know the true utility and usage of all types of Utility Vehicles including the Sports ones. The theory presented there was a lot of new Thars make it to the Second Hand market owing to actually dislike of the vehicle by certain customers when used in urban conditions only. Is it true? Who knows although sounds reasonable...

[Gurudatt28227]

The VAG group seems to be maintaining a steady 8K sales in August even when there were a bunch of new cars such as the Elevate, Seltos facelift and the new Verna. The next month's sales numbers should give a better idea if the Elevate will start taking away sales from Taigun/Kushaq, especially the 1Lt tsi.

[antonylejos]

Originally Posted by Bhodrolok

This I do not agree with all. All our choices are limited to SUVs, psuedo SUVs and hatches posing as SUVs. Every other type of vehicles is dying as we start filling our roads with more and more "SUVs".

To truly stop the craze for high ground clearance vehicles or pseudo-SUVs in India, we must address the persistent issue of poor road conditions.

Once we have good roads, can we can surely anticipate the resurgence of conventional cars in the market.

Nowadays our highways are good. But in many cities like Bangalore, roads still demands SUVs.

[hummer]

Jeep, Citroen, Nissan, Renault seem to have lost the direction (unless they go aggressive on new mass market launches in short time say within next 1 year).

VW, MG, SKoda, Honda are looking hopeful, good if they can sustain these numbers supported by few new launches. If Elevate dooms then tough for Honda.

Originally Posted by antonylejos

Nowadays our highways are good. But in many cities like Bangalore, roads still demands SUVs.

Not sure if we can attribute SUV craze for bad roads, may be true partially for India.

However, SUV craze is a global phenomenon, sedans are dying slowly everywhere, that's where crossovers play a role, comforts + ride like a sedan with high ground clearance, meeting new market trend as well.

[Burgman_tales]

Originally Posted by autobahnjpr

The slide of sales numbers of ALTO continues and it looks like that this segment may slowly phase out and be replaced by the PUNCH, C3, IGNIS segment. This will surely indicate rising income levels and higher aspiration levels of the people who view car as part of their daily life and not something which is a depreciating asset.

No, this rather indicates that income inequality is rising with people in that segment not being able to make a jump to cars anymore. Additional data to validate this is that bike sales are also dropping.

Your statement would have been valid if % of car owners was very high in India which is not the case

[abhijet.sen]

Originally Posted by antonylejos

To truly stop the craze for high ground clearance vehicles or pseudo-SUVs in India, we must address the persistent issue of poor road conditions.

Once we have good roads, can we can surely anticipate the resurgence of conventional cars in the market.

Nowadays our highways are good. But in many cities like Bangalore, roads still demands SUVs.

Highly unlikely that people will move away from SUVs to conventional cars mainly because by that time roads get better majority will be used to better visibility that SUVs or even for that matter pseudo-SUVs offer as compared to their conventional siblings.

It will be a different ball game if cost difference between them becomes too high say in tune of Rs 2 Lakhs plus. Then surely people will start moving back but I reckon that this is unlikely to happen even in next 1.5-2 decades.

[Ranabegins]

Does anyone have the data regarding the number of showrooms each brand in India has? I wanted to find out the average sales per showroom based on the monthly numbers.

[niranjanprabhu]

Top Highlights for Aug 2023 car sales in India!

1. Last 12 months sales have crossed the magical 4 million mark for the very FIRST time in Indian car sales history! A time for celebrations!

2. Hyundai Motor India Ltd.'s Exter makes a splash with dispathes of 7430. Tata still ruling the roost with it's Punch at 14523

3. Lots of competition for second place in the mid-sized SUV segment between Maruti Suzuki India Limited's Grand Vitara and KIA India's Seltos. All eyes are on the latter with the refreshed version having the panoramic sunroof which is a highly desired feature in this segment

4. All eyes on the latest TATA.ev's Nexon with it's refreshed version hitting the stands. The 4 meter segment has been completely conquered by Maruti Suzuki India Limited with their 3 offerings of Vitara Brezza, Fronx and the Jimny. It's crazy in this segment honestly with a good 11 offerings. Citroën India positioning its brilliant C3 and EC3 in the small hatchback segment, has grievously injured itself and ended up last in the stack with 250 numbers dispatched. This is so sad given that they have class class-leading build, ride, and a great turbo petrol engine. Their strategy needs a thorough relook

5. Honda Cars India Ltd makes a nice splash in the Mid Sized SUV segment with 2822 dispatches of its Elevate. Reports now say it already has a waiting period of over 6 months! Great news for Honda. Expect price increases

[lionheart_mm]

I thought Elevate is going to take away all the sales of punch but it only manages to sell half of punch. Is Hyundai not able to deliver enough of ti?

[wooka]

While I am simply embarrassed that in Australia you cannot sell a car without ADAS anymore, people still buy unsafe cars in India.

In 2023, it goes to show that people just DO NOT CARE :(
Mileage, price, service. This serves the regular population, so they will do as always have done -> continue to make potentially family-altering choices.



Also, if anyone can enlighten me, why is the Scorpio still in the C-2 segment?
How about we split the scorpions into two if it must come to it? Or simply move both into the D-1 segment -> They do ferry 7+ people after all and are adorned by bullbars aplenty (thereby increasing their actual length.)

And frankly, the SN is a true SUV unlike the Harrier, Safari and Innova (in the D-1 listing.)

[neerajku]

Originally Posted by viper33

No sir, nothing has failed for Tata Motors. Harrier and Safari combo sold approx.4000+ units every month for the past couple of years and they are always second to XUV700.

Harrier and Safari are due for a facelift later this year and fewer sales are expected when a facelift is forthcoming.

Tata categorically mentioned that they will not invest in Hybrids and it has nothing to do with talent in this globalized world.

Tata's ICE to EV transition story is among the best with Gen 1, Gen 2, and Gen 3 platforms. They do not need to invest in another platform any time soon as most of their bases are covered with a rugged X1 platform for Nexon, Alpha platform for Altroz, Punch, and Sierra, OmegaArc platform for Harrier and Safari, and an additional skateboard platform for Avinya concept based vehicles.

Ah, our scales are different, you are comparing only Indian owned companies, I was looking at the entire segment where Hyundai with Creta and Alcatraz, Kia with Carens and Seltos and Mahindra with Scorpio and XUV 700 sells 12-15 k vehicles each and Tata sells 3-4k of Harrier and Safari each, and sales seem to be dwindling each month. Yes some facelift is due next quarter of Safari but that usually hits sales in the preceding 1-2 months and not 8-10 months in advance. May be we read the same data differently. Their total vehicles sales and market shares have been static for more than a year now. May be new launches in every segment can explain that.
Hybrids are extremely complex technology and Mahindra worked on it for years, more than decade and then gave up. We may view talent differently, globalised or not, engineering, design, are tough skills to find in my world. Hence the view.
My guess is both Safari and Harrier will remain in the 1000 number like their predecessors which, after the initial excitement, just sank.

[ProLearner]

Maruti Suzuki as always is very good at it's business. They launched the Fronx between their portfolio and still it is doing 10k+ sales.
A little surprising is that most of the top sellers are compact SUVs, in line with the market trend, the Swift is selling consistently well! It also has lesser features than the other models from MS itself and is a hatchback.

TATA also doing well, Punch is a success, and the CNG models added with the dual cylinder implementation is serving well. Even Tigor Numbers are seeming good, which is not as popular as the Tiago or even Altroz.

Hyundai is selling good, but in such a large portfolio, the Creta and Venue are leading the charts.

Between Nissan & Renault, Renault at least have 3 models, but Nissan situations doesn't look good. They have such good cars outside, why not bring them here. Even then, Nissan sold more than Jeep.

Toyota doing well, Camry got a boost due to no other options in the segment. With the MS JV, the glanza is ok, but the Hyryder sales are almost 3x less than the Grand Vitara!

VAG group doing steady numbers, but with such good cars, with excellent safety I personally would like to see them sell more.

[discoverwild]

Originally Posted by neerajku

Ah, our scales are different, you are comparing only Indian owned companies, I was looking at the entire segment where Hyundai with Creta and Alcatraz, Kia with Carens and Seltos and Mahindra with Scorpio and XUV 700 sells 12-15 k vehicles each and Tata sells 3-4k of Harrier and Safari each, and sales seem to be dwindling each month.

Tata has only a diesel offering in this segment while Hyundai and Mahindra have both petrol and diesel ICE engines. With the NGT crackdown on diesels, especially in the NCR region, and diesels allowed to run only 10 years, it creates a mental block in the buyer that this restriction might soon apply to all States or leading Metros.

So, it's more a case of practicality than desirability. The Creta and the Seltos belong one rung down the ladder where Tata doesn't have a presence yet. Even the Alcazar and Carens are not direct competitors.