[timuseravan]

Originally Posted by desdemona

Unlike say Ford, VW Skoda, GM, Honda and Nissan, Stellantis remains profitable in India, if only via diesel engine sales, exports of engines and transmissions and sales of the Tata Nexon (including EV) which is made at high sales volumes alongside the Jeeps in Ranjangaon.

The big question is not whether Stellantis is profitable with exports and acting as auto-ancillaries but whether Stellantis will think it worth its while to keep the Jeep brand running in India.
They essentially have one model (Compass/Meridian) with declining sales. The recent Autocar interview with Jeep managing director does not inspire confidence.
Along with a petrol Compass, Jeep desperately needs atleast one model bellow and one model above the Compass.

It will be a sad day if they do decide to exit India

[heydj]

When people can buy new BMW X1 with 1.3L Petrol engine then why not Jeep Compass. To some people all that matters is Compass and not what is inside in terms of power. Not everyone is enthusiasts like us Bhpians.

In India all that matters is looks and gadgets so Jeep Compass will sell and that too in decent numbers.

[volkman10]

Jeep Compass will get 2.0 turbo engine of 272 hp from Rampage. (Brazil)

Stellantis' new Hurricane 4 engine is being prepared to be used by more models within the group. The Commander has already been spotted in tests using the thruster and, now, it is time for the Compass to give the faces with modifications that indicate adoption of the powertrain.

As in the Rampage, everything indicates that it will deliver 272 hp of power and 40.8 kgfm of torque, always being associated with the automatic transmission of 9 gears, with 4x4 traction.

In the Rampage R/T, for example, the 2.0 turbo delivers 0 to 100 km/h in just 6.9 seconds and 220 km/h top speed. In practice, the engine makes the pickup the most powerful produced in Brazil.

In North America, it is worth remembering, the Compass has already made use of the Hurricane 4 engine since the end of 2022. There, propellant in milder version yields 203 hp and 30.5 kgfm, always being associated with the automatic transmission of 8 gears, with 4x4 traction.

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[sajands]

Originally Posted by heydj

When people can buy new BMW X1 with 1.3L Petrol engine then why not Jeep Compass. To some people all that matters is Compass and not what is inside in terms of power. Not everyone is enthusiasts like us Bhpians.

In India all that matters is looks and gadgets so Jeep Compass will sell and that too in decent numbers.

No offense but how many non enthusiasts invest in X1?? If I were to invest 30L to 40L in a Jeep I would look under the hood on the engine specs, no point paying 30L for a 1.3L rather take Breeza or KIA.

[sid3091]

Originally Posted by sajands

No offense but how many non enthusiasts invest in X1?? If I were to invest 30L to 40L in a Jeep I would look under the hood on the engine specs, no point paying 30L for a 1.3L rather take Breeza or KIA.

The 1.3L in the Jeep has a decent amount more torque than the Kia -270 vs 250 (and let's not even discuss the laughable inclusion of the Brezza).

You're also getting superior ride and handling, better badge value and far better safety. It may not justify the price to you, but it will for many people.

[84.monsoon]

The latest Mercedes GLA Petrol also comes with a 1.3 L engine, making even less power and torque (162 PS, 250 NM). We are speaking about a 60 Lakh SUV here - and it is selling like hot cakes in India. So engine size may no longer be a consideration for most buyers. So if Benz can equip a 60 Lakh SUV with an 1.3 litre engine, Jeep is well justified in doing so in a 30 lakh SUV.

[volkman10]

For Australia:

Jeep Compass hybrids confirmed for Australia in 2024, petrol and diesel (made in India) axed.

Jeep’s Australian division is due to add hybrid versions of the Compass small SUV to its local line-up in 2024 – but the electrified models will come at the cost of its petrol and turbo-diesel grades.

In a media statement, Jeep said it intends to bring the Compass e-Hybrid mild-hybrid and Compass 4xe plug-in hybrid (PHEV) to Australia in the first half of 2024 (January to June inclusive).

The introduction of the Compass hybrids will result in the small SUV’s 2.4-litre four-cylinder petrol and 2.0-litre four-cylinder turbo-diesel engines being phased out, with the line-up eventually consisting only of electrified grades.

While the existing Australian-delivered Jeep Compass petrol and turbo-diesel are produced in India, the Compass e-Hybrid and 4xe are exclusively built in Italy.




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[kronos596]

Originally Posted by volkman10

Jeep Compass hybrids confirmed for Australia in 2024, petrol and diesel (made in India) axed.


While the existing Australian-delivered Jeep Compass petrol and turbo-diesel are produced in India, the Compass e-Hybrid and 4xe are exclusively built in Italy.

I'm not sure what this implies for Jeep's India operations.

1. Does it mean after UK, India loses export volumes for Australia too? In that case, will the 2.0 Multijet engine sales suffice to keep them afloat?

2. Seems like 1.4 and 2.4 Multiair engines will soon be history. Does Jeep have any plans to locally manufacture the newer 1.3, 1.5 e-hybrid, and 2.0 Turbo petrol engines in India to recover the export and domestic volumes?


Quoting my own post from this thread.

Originally Posted by kronos596

While the reintroduction of Petrol engines is a welcome step by Jeep, I'm largely curious about the economics of scale at play here. Post 2020, India lost export volumes for the UK to Melfi plant in Italy as Europe moved largely to 4xe and mild-hybrid models. The exports by Jeep India to RHD markets now largely center around Australia, New Zealand, and Japan where the 2.4 TigerShark engine is used. Other destinations are Indonesia, South Africa, and possibly some Caribbean RHD countries that still use the 1.4 MultiAir engine. Unless these countries also move to 1.3 Turbo, this engine will remain a costly proposition in an already overpriced car.

[epiccross]

Why is Stellantis making blunder after blunder? You would even have to entertain some sabotage angles, because it's that baffling. Matter of time before they shut shop on the Jeep front and scale back to pure engine/transmission manufacturing.

[Nilesh5417]

Does it smell of a cartel? When all manufacturers decides to drop engines from the list of options one by one, customers are forced to look beyond it. Its just not a point worth discussing when choosing a car cause there are no options. I can already see many quotes regarding Merc and X1 as a rationale to Jeep's decision. IMHO, thats the point when it all starts getting accepted we as customers lose out. Dont want to go back when 1.3MJD was the national engine!
Guess those who desire the badge are willing to forego the engine as a criteria of choice but at 60+lakhs, it just sounds lots of hard earned money going out for a product that probably doesnt deserve it. Inflation or not.

Wonder whats the manufactufers to pick that same 1.3L block. Would be really interesting to hear what folks think is the reason.

[TusharK]

Jeep Compass spotted testing; is it the 1.3L Turbo Petrol version?

Jeep is said to be working on a new 1.3-litre turbo-petrol engine for the Indian market. The new motor is expected to power the Compass SUV in a couple of years.



The 1.3-litre turbo-petrol engine has already been used in the Renegade. However, it would have to be calibrated and homologated for the Indian market. That being said, the process might already be underway.

A camouflaged prototype of the Compass was recently spotted testing. It is probably being used as a test bed for the 1.3-litre turbo-petrol engine.

Jeep currently offers two versions of the 1.3-litre turbo-petrol unit. The 128 BHP version is mated to a 6-speed manual, while the 148 BHP version gets a 6-speed dual-clutch automatic.

Source: Rushlane

Link to Team-BHP News

[sapien]

Originally Posted by TusharK

Jeep Compass spotted testing; is it the 1.3L Turbo Petrol version?

Jeep currently offers two versions of the 1.3-litre turbo-petrol unit. The 128 BHP version is mated to a 6-speed manual, while the 148 BHP version gets a 6-speed dual-clutch automatic.

Link to Team-BHP News

Hopefully this time the petrol engine packs more punch. There's no compact SUV alternative in 25-30L price range. Only good options are XUV700 & Harrier / Safari. If priced well, this has lot of potential in urban areas.

Any idea when this will come to market, is it going to be early [Jan/Feb] 2024 or much later ?

[Tifosi2306]

Its been long overdue and should have replaced the 1.4L Multiair with the advent of BS6 itself. Now, they would be better off with the 1.5L Firefly alongwith a mild hybrid option to match up in power and efficiency with the 1.5L motors from Hyundai and VAG.

I would be surprised if they fail to dissapoint, FIAT (Stellantis).

[bullitt1]

Not a good move. This is the same engine used in Renegade which does not have favourable reviews and is termed as weak. Pulling a much heavier car like Compass will be task cut out for the engine. They must bring the 2.0 L turbo petrol

[enj0y_ride]

Originally Posted by TusharK

Jeep Compass spotted testing; is it the 1.3L Turbo Petrol version?

The 128 BHP version is mated to a 6-speed manual, while the 148 BHP version gets a 6-speed dual-clutch automatic.

The older 1.4 one was 161 BHP and the newer one produces less !!!! No idea whether thats going to sell when more affordable VW and Hyundai cousins pack more punch and Compass is heavier too.

Their grace period for working on petrol is over, they should skip to electric or hybrid if they are really serious on capturing market.