[volkman10]

Start preparing for BS-7 vehicles, don't wait for govt to push you: Minister to auto makers.

Minister of Road Transport:

Our industry should be at par with the European counterparts. Last time the government had to set the deadline and push the industry to comply. The industry also delivered. But why should you wait for us to take such a decision?

The transition from the current BS-6 to BS-7 will be necessary for domestic vehicle manufacturers to export their products to European countries and also to minimize vehicle pollution here.
The European Commission has proposed to roll out the Euro-7 norm from July 2025 for new cars and vans, and July 2027 for new trucks and buses.

Sources said the road transport ministry has started initial work for the BS-7 emission standard.

Sources said senior executives from Toyota and Honda shared their ongoing research and development works for futuristic fuel to minimise vehicular pollution.

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[audioholic]

Euro 7 is going to be no big deal. The only change that's needed is a huge container to wrap the vehicle air tight and then ensure that this can never be opened, with the use of 5G technology to call the police as soon as this container is opened and fine the driver for every second it is open.

There is a popular vehicle sticker I have seen in Germany which is pasted just near the exhaust. Its not the right language to post on the forum but it pretty much sums up every petrol head's situation.

On a serious note, trying to don the hat of a very conscious human being who cares for the welfare of the future generations, I was very impressed with Euro 6/BS6. It reduces particulate emissions to a huge extent, converts harmful nitrous oxides to harmless nitrogen and water, hardly any carbon monoxide. But come euro 7, apparently manufacturers have to also keep a check on brake dust and the other things that might fall out of the vehicle into the environment. Really? That brake pad made out of some resin or other organic material is as good or bad as the bitumen on the road. Asbestos is anyway discouraged from a long time. So in addition to tail pipe emissions, there will also be a count of how many times I have braked, how hard was it and how much brake pad I consume. Absolute bull.

[Shreyans_Jain]

I think it is a positive sign that the minister is pushing the system for compliance with the latest emission norms. For once, we are not laggards in something. A country with the worst air pollution in the world can only welcome stricter norms, even if it is only for the automobile sector. With the mandatory age restrictions in place, the roadmap seems to be clear. it is only a matter of time that the total fleet of vehicles in the country becomes much younger and a lot less polluting, overall. This will also push manufacturers to provide their latest, and move beyond pushing decades old legacy powertrains. Especially the two wheelers.

[Mustang_Boss]

Just wanted to check,

Do we get BS6 Diesel throughout the country? How about BS6 Petrol?

I am not trying to be cynical, but without supplying the right fuel, what's the point of building new BS7 or BS8 cars, when the fuel we get wont match BS4 level? The vehicles don't run on Bluetooth, to be backwards compatible.

Already, the BS6 diesel engines are choking because of lack of right quality of fuel. Yes, this move is needed and i agree, but there are responsibilities for all parties involved and everyone needs to fulfil their promise to progress ahead.

[Cresterk]

Reminder that just 100 companies are responsible for 71% of the air pollution on the planet.

https://www.activesustainability.com...ghg-emissions/

They spend quite a lot of money on PR to make individual citizens feel that pollution is our own fault so they can continue polluting without affecting their bottom line. 'Carbon footprint' for example was coined by them.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/17...ustainability/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...limate-action/

[ashis89]

Originally Posted by Mustang_Boss

Already, the BS6 diesel engines are choking because of lack of right quality of fuel.

Do you have any credible evidence on this? This is the first time I am hearing, unless we consider deliberate adulteration. I have seen BS6 diesel cars covered lakhs of kms without any trouble.

[abhi9044]

Originally Posted by audioholic

On a serious note, trying to don the hat of a very conscious human being who cares for the welfare of the future generations, I was very impressed with Euro 6/BS6. It reduces particulate emissions to a huge extent, converts harmful nitrous oxides to harmless nitrogen and water, hardly any carbon monoxide. But come euro 7, apparently manufacturers have to also keep a check on brake dust and the other things that might fall out of the vehicle into the environment. *** really? That brake pad made out of some resin or other organic material is as good or bad as the bitumen on the road. Asbestos is anyway discouraged from a long time. So in addition to tail pipe emissions, there will also be a count of how many times I have braked, how hard was it and how much brake pad I consume. Absolute bull.

2030: Ministry of Transport asks manufacturers to get ready for BS8 emissions where they have to take into account the CO2, NO2 and CO levels emitted by passengers in the car.

On a serious note, I want to ask something to the government. If a BS6 truck is carrying sand/garbage that is not covered properly (usually the case), then all that sand/garbage that is released into the atmosphere, I assume that isn't a contributor to the pollution levels, right?

The Paddy Stubble burning in Punjab and nearby areas, is it BS6 compliant yet?

The construction dust from all the Construction sites, what is their maximum ppm limit? Are those BS6 compliant yet?

All the Coal power stations, are those BS6 compliant?

The burning up of plastic and thermocol plates after an event, that is BS6 compliant?

Thousands of people driving with their bikes and cars with Engine Oil burning instead of fuel, are they BS6 compliant?

Indian Railways recently placed an order for WDG4G and WDG6G. These are Diesel engines. By the way, has anyone ever heard about DPF issues on these engines? Maybe they don't have one.

I wonder why is it called Bharat Stage 6. Bharat stage 6 should mean that everything that emits smoke in India, be it a cigarette or a train, it should be BS6 compatible. Why only the cars are being targeted?

And let's just assume, India becomes a 100% EV country. No pollution from cars. How much pollution level do you think would change? Especially with all the forests being cleared.

Let us take China as an example. In 2021, India sold 4.4 million vehicles, whereas China sold 26 million vehicles. So about ~17% of what China sold.

And here's a view of the most Polluted countries in the world(Based on AQI)



So China after selling about 6.5 times the vehicles sold in India, pollutes 41% lesser than India.
Source- https://www.aqi.in/in/world-most-polluted-countries

I know there are some differences between the Emission regulations of these two countries, but the differences in their total sales should be taken into account as well.

Here's another chart I found that shows how much does transportation contributes to India's 2.5ppm pollution levels.



Source- https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/arti.../ea/d2ea00027j

It's obvious that the government is trying to do the easiest thing that can be done in the name of controlling pollution, setting up new emission rules every now and then and forcing it on manufacturers. We know that manufacturers have to comply with the norms if they want to sell their vehicles. But the govt also needs to take care of the bigger problems here. Why isn't there a strict rule yet to ban the burning of crops? Why are vehicles that are 4-stroke but are emitting smoke like 2-stroke allowed and not fined? Why can't we have a MOT system for older vehicles?

With all these questions, let us welcome BS 7 regulations.

P.S- Can't stop myself from posting this.

[Sumedik]

So very soon the question to ask would be: How long can we keep our BS6 Phase 2 vehicles on the roads legally? Will the RC of those be renewed after CF after the 15 year old period?

Basically the same questions we have in mind for BS4 vehicle owners now.

[P P CHAUKIMATH]

This is absurd. Of course we get BS-6 diesel only.

[Tucker48]

What about the pollution created by tyres? Tyres produce vastly more particle pollution than exhaust pipes. There are many toxic chemicals in tyres. Old tyres produce less particle pollution than new ones but still more than tail pipe even if one uses bald tyres.

What about every other product which uses petrochemicals? Why only cars?

[Dr.Car]

Originally Posted by abhi9044

The Paddy Stubble burning in Punjab and nearby areas, is it BS6 compliant yet?

No offence please but it's not just Punjab where stubble burning takes place! One of the largest contributors to this include Haryana and UP as well. Also, it is actually decreasing every year due to new developments by Agricultural universities in Punjab.

But do agree with all the other points you mentioned

[harishpr]

(Not all) but most of those complaining about crop and stubble burning has no idea living the life of those farmers. It’s very convenient to criticise the farmers for using unscientific methods, but those formers have other priorities to manage. Giving 2 meals for his family is their primary concern and when crops fail due to rains or famine, paying back the loan is a greater priority. It’s high time that civilised beings Stop blaming the farmers (BTW, farmers cause less pollution than automobiles, ACs, Refrigerators, etc.)

[Turbohead]

Originally Posted by harishpr

(Not all) but most of those complaining about crop and stubble burning has no idea living the life of those farmers. It’s very convenient to criticise the farmers for using unscientific methods, but those formers have other priorities to manage. Giving 2 meals for his family is their primary concern and when crops fail due to rains or famine, paying back the loan is a greater priority. It’s high time that civilised beings Stop blaming the farmers (BTW, farmers cause less pollution than automobiles, ACs, Refrigerators, etc.)

The smog in Delhi is caused by the stubble burning, coal plants, construction dust etc and not just automobiles. I believe the argument brought forth is still intact and he's not blaming the farmers for the pollution. He's blaming the authorities for missing the forest for the trees - why are they not trying to bring in alternatives for stubble burning? What are they doing to prevent construction dust from polluting the air? What are they trying to do to reduce pollution from coal power plants?

Somebody has to take tough, concrete and viable decisions but instead they're pushing the buck to the people so that they can claim they're doing something while taxing us extra due to increased costs.

[vredesbyrd]

OT: MoRT and NGT members having a conversation with a common, hard working, honest tax payer (please read from right to left):


Average NGT decision maker:

[NewUser123]

Originally Posted by Cresterk

They spend quite a lot of money on PR to make individual citizens feel that pollution is our own fault so they can continue polluting without affecting their bottom line.

Some more facts to support this:

https://www.cadmatic.com/en/resource...-million-cars/