[kaps454]

Well, stricter emission norms are not going to be popular on a website of petrol heads and that too in a country like India, where because of other reasons (all enumerated above), other sections of society and other economic activities seem to cause more pollution but I still believe that these norms and our adoption of these standards will help us play our little part in helping Gaia tolerate humanity's burden a little longer.

Brake pads and tyre shedding might seem excessive now, but these microplastics/micropolymers do multiply their way up the food chain and we practically sit on top of it. We have altered the earth homestasis and probably already set in motion irrevocable changes that will ultimately lead to mass extinctions and even our demise as a species (never know though, humanity adapts fastest when our backs are against the wall, remember the 8 billion plus today arose from a few thousand).

Sorry to be the harbinger of grim tidings and requesting all you kind folks to not shoot the messenger. For those interested, reading about polar ice caps, solar radiation, role of the rain forests, about all the methane and carbon locked in the oceans, mean ocean temperatures, ocean currents, microplankton might help in raising awareness. Others, please ignore.
regards kaps454

[theabstractmind]

I see lot of people saying why the low hanging fruits and why not the bigger problems? And so on. There are some pointers which many on this forum I presume will be able to relate to.

1. In general, the agile and six sigma principles say that any increment is improvement. Such improvements occur usually on the quickest and simplest of the problems which are an hinderance to the output.

2. Any improvement is developed and approved if the benefits arising out of it beats the cost of implementation.

Using these principles, I guess the auto sector - especially passenger cars and two-wheelers are the easiest. Especially considering their small engine capacities and purchasing power of the public.

Implementing such measures at an industrial scale could be difficult. I am not aware of what the Government is trying to do on this matter. But I know that I cannot be a choser here.

As an car lover, I know this is going to be detrimental. It means more expensive cars. This could mean more premium pricing for margins and low availability of entry level cars. It could mean the end of those beloved turbo diesels or toned down turbo petrols. And that's bad news for us. But not supporting the Government is not a choice. After everything, if we make a slight improvement, it leaves behind a better world to our future generations than it would be otherwise.

[explo.re]

I found some comments on this page very amusing. The assumption seems to be that the automotive sector is single handedly bearing the burden of emission reduction of the whole country. In reality this is not at all true. Also people who are implementing vehicle emission policies and people who are taking care of crop burning problem, as also people solving power generation emissions are largely different people. Not the same set.

1. In power generation, no new thermal power plants are being planned. Only the ones under construction are getting completed and almost all of the capacity addition in the recent few years have been contributed by renewable technologies. We can't shut down existing thermal power plants because they contribute nearly 65% of the total electricity and its not a discretionary item. It's one of the most basic necessities that drives our economy.

2. Stubble burning is actually a very complex issue to solve. Its not that we don't have a solution to prevent stubble burning. It's economics which prevents implementation of these solutions. All farmers can't fund seeders. It needs to be deployed at scale in a massive areas simultaneously. Any delay in clearing stubble results in delaying the next crop. The seeders once used will remain idle till the next season. Agriculture is another backbone sector which cannot be hurt without massive implications.

3. I can go on and on about other sectors also, but you get the drift. Mass market automobiles are considered discretionary expenses, therefore low hanging fruits. Auto sector does contribute a lot to the GDP but small incremental increases in prices and tightening up of emission norms in a stepped manner will not hurt us as a country, in fact give us greater weight in global climate negotiations. It's like increasing taxes on cigarettes and alcohol.

[Clown Prince]

Launch BS 10 for all I care. But what about all those lorry, tractors, tempo, autos, cars , bikes which leave a good amount of black smoke. What about all those vehicles who will fail a pollution test which is apparent from a single glance at the vehicle and yet they are running on our streets. Cops and authorities turn a blind eye to them. If we really want to reduce emissions then first step must be to reduce these polluting vehicles. And target should reasonable like 15-20% instead of lip service one. You can’t completely remove anything. Anyway it’s good that government is trying to make companies be aware in this matter on their own rather than government forcing them. I hope same can be done about vehicle build quality and safety. Now my friends be ready for more expensive cars.

[NewUser123]

I think we really need a good investigative journalist to really decide if these are just mental jujitsu to guilt us into chasing insignificant things… like the guys who started digging deeper into the the “clean up beaches”, “stop using plastics straws”, “save the dolphins”, etc movements and ended up realising that the real issue is something completely different and huge… something NOBODY talks about.

Watch “Seaspriracy”, the documentary to understand.

Something similar might be happening in other “popular” issues too.

[fhdowntheline]

It is the lack of planned urban growth across the country over decades that has caused this problem. The uptick in personal vehicles began from mostly the mid 80s onward, when most urban centers as we know them did not even exist. There were decades of wasted opportunities in urban planning. The fact that a metro grid has to be shoehorned into the urban sprawl of Pune is a good example. And even so, the work is uneven in pace and shoddy. What choice does the average person have but to use personal vehicles? And then when they talk about upgrading pollution norms almost at "whim" , its easy to understand why people get fruatrated.

[Formula1]

Originally Posted by Shreyans_Jain

For once, we are not laggards in something..

A country that's a leading innovator in arguably NOTHING, will find it very easy to join the bandwagon by copying some European documents, with probably no significant independent studies being done.

This is pathetic. There are so many things to be done to put India on the leading edge. Radical electrification and radical castration of ICE aren't some of them. The powers that be do it because it's the easiest to push some papers and be hailed as leaders in at least something.

Imo, it's best if we stay laggards in paper pushing.

[Itachi_Uchiha]

Well what i think about this topic is that it would sadly mean less fun to drive cars, lesser turbo diesels and turbo petrols. I love fast cars but i think this era is slowly coming to an end. And also the prices of those vehicles would shoot up because of more R&D required for the transition. I also feel bad for the manufacturers because it is also hard for them to just keep on reducing emissions no matter what.

Originally Posted by vredesbyrd

OT: MoRT and NGT members having a conversation with a common, hard working, honest tax payer (please read from right to left):

A little off topic: what anime manga is this can you please tell ?

[vredesbyrd]

Originally Posted by Itachi_Uchiha

A little off topic: what anime manga is this can you please tell ?

It's Mashle. Basically Harry Potter but everyone except the protagonist can do magic. So he uses his fists to solve problems.

The anime is out too.

[neerajku]

A very passionate set of comments and arguments, as they should be, it is an automobile lovers' page. But why not this, why not that, why only cars, why not trains , tyres, trucks, planes. Such arguments while valid but ignore an important point, governments usually take a graded approach in all such major policy changes, easiest ones are taken first and tough ones take some more time. But all at once rarely happens and piece meal one, though not comforting , gives a lot of inputs to the Policy makers to draw lessons and make changes subsequently.

[nxshar2]

Originally Posted by abhi9044

2030: Ministry of Transport asks manufacturers to get ready for BS8 emissions where they have to take into account the CO2, NO2 and CO levels emitted by passengers in the car.

You might have been kidding, but the woke world is definitely not.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...bon-lifestyles

Do look at the food and things part of the article

[Nilesh5417]

Originally Posted by neerajku

A very passionate set of comments and arguments, as they should be, it is an automobile lovers' page. But why not this, why not that, why only cars, why not trains , tyres, trucks, planes. Such arguments while valid but ignore an important point, governments usually take a graded approach in all such major policy changes, easiest ones are taken first and tough ones take some more time. But all at once rarely happens and piece meal one, though not comforting , gives a lot of inputs to the Policy makers to draw lessons and make changes subsequently.

What defines easy? Easy is forcing masses and leaving them no choice cause they are not unionised or form a strong lobby? I see otherwise - make a start with the tough ones first cause they are likely to have the most impact, leave the easy ones for later.

[Game_of_Roads]

Originally Posted by audioholic

. But come euro 7, apparently manufacturers have to also keep a check on brake dust and the other things that might fall out of the vehicle into the environment.

I'm hoping Euro7 includes stringent checks for environment-degrading things that are often made to fall out of vehicles through the open windows also

[NT_GT]

The bright side is that my BS6 vehicles will turn out to be investments rather than being depreciating assets, at least till 2030.

[RidingHood]

The government is just being ridiculous now. Firstly, its not just the work of OEMs to make BS7 engines. They need the oil and fuel companies to cooperate as well. BS7 vehicles will be more expensive and it wont work in a price sensitive market like India. Not unless the government mandates it.

The government should get off its high horse and start taking a lot more responsibility. Vehicles needs to be safer. Roads need to be better. People need to be smarter/responsible in driving. And dont get me started on public transportation.