[Xaos636]

Originally Posted by dsr001

I mentioned above, COCO manager in Delhi told me, XP95 is already 12% ethanol.

Makes some sense as octane number rises with ethanol mixing.

I asked the same to 2 different bunks in Bangalore and got 2 different answers(10% and 0%). Hence not sure if these are right numbers.

[dsr001]

Originally Posted by Xaos636

I asked the same to 2 different bunks in Bangalore and got 2 different answers(10% and 0%). Hence not sure if these are right numbers.

I really hope it is less than 10%.

[Joli]

The Ritz manual says, "Blends of unleaded petrol and ethanol (grain
alcohol), also known as gasohol, are commercially available in some areas. Blends of this type may be used in your vehicle if they are no more than 10% etha nol. Make sure this petrol-ethanol blend has octane ratings no lower than those recommended for petrol."

This effectively rules out E20 for Maruti K12M engines.

Originally Posted by Bismaya

So what does E20 petrol mean for older cars? I see E10 petrol bunks here already. A few rare ones are non-ethanol blend. I have an old Maruti 800 which isn't high on efficiency when filled with E10 Petrol. Will this be the case for the current cars as the blend percentage increases? What about cars for 10 years ago? Like an i10 or a Honda Brio?

[The Rationalist]

Hi guys, will there be any petrol available that is not E20 henceforth? I mean will E10 co-exist with E20? Will there be any effect on performance of the vehicle? If it reduces the performance, that would be extremely disappointing.

[ptaneja]

Originally Posted by The Rationalist

Hi guys, will there be any petrol available that is not E20 henceforth? I mean will E10 co-exist with E20? Will there be any effect on performance of the vehicle? If it reduces the performance, that would be extremely disappointing.

Both E10 and E20 will coexist - till 2028 as per Govt plans.
Expect performance and mileage drop of 10% to 15%.

Post 2028, unless plans are modified, all existing cars and 2 wheelers will be reduced to paper weights.

But on the other hand, we may have options/aftermarket kits to be installed which will make our engines compatible with E20.

Like this -

https://youtu.be/Ou1_EHjcX2Y

[SoumenD]

After seeing this thread I tried checking the E-tolerance of Honda Jazz CVT but the manual doesn’t mention anything on this front. Here’s a snapshot of the fuelling page:



Can someone shed some light? Mine is a 2019 BS-4 model. I just tanked up last week from HP bunk, now I don’t know if it was E20 or E10 as there was no markings and the petrol bunk attendants are clueless

[dsr001]

I believed thsi should be the most important thread here, somehow not getting the attention it deserves. Can modeators bump up to home page? Can some oil PSU member update here from their inside stories

[rroy92]

Can we please list the available premium fuels and their ethanol content?
I was under the impression that all premium fuels does not contain ethanol.

[Senpran]

Creta owner's manual says the below about alcohol mixed petrol. They call it as "Gasohol". It is clearly warning against the use of fuel having ethanol content more than 10%. It is going to be a nightmare for car owners having cars with engines designed for E10 fuel and they are not few. Millions of cars with engines designed for E10 petrol on the road.

[VijayAnand1]

The E10 and E20 price confusion and the respective pros of each when it comes to the nozzle tip is a bit murky, I think. While manufacturers, post BS4, recommend Ethanol/Gasohol blend no more than 10% that's E10, and considering most old fuel systems can digest E10 with negligible performance loss, E20 E25, E85 and E100 is definitely the worst contender in the long run with palpable repercussions.

The key here is to not confuse a customer by placing him/her in an onerous decision when refueling with too many options, especially at nascent stages with light years old vehicles plying on the road.

I feel pumps/carriers should dispense normal fuel blended with 10% Ethanol as standard, for now. As and when the norms warrant themselves for E20, perhaps the same can be enforced in a systematic manner. When we consider the tax/benefits for these fuels, the benefits and proceeds directly feed the Gov't mouth rather than the common man and the price difference for the variety of fuels listed isn't going to help the common man get him another farm house, for that matter.

The MOP and its long armed comrades should take it easy on enforcing fast and confusing fuel parameters.

One thing my mind says is, it's perhaps a sinister way for the GoI to help boost the current gen vehicle sales (apart from climate crisis and tree huggers) so that more people scrap their old vehicles and switch to BS6 and flex fuel vehicles which in turn is a win for the govt, win for the environment, win for the manufactures. Voila! Three birds in one stone.

Cheers!
VJ

[saikishor]

I have a noob(absolutely noob) question. Will my 390 Duke BS6 be compatible with this E20 fuel, if E20 is made standard in all bunks? I fill up mostly at HP for that HP power petrol.

[lemedico]

All this ethanol blending is alright, it's in adaptation with the change in times.

But I have a question. Is there any fuel available that is pure petrol, no ethanol? Just to feel the maximum power delivery and best driving experience that my vehicle can provide?

[d3mon]

1. Ethanol is highly corrosive to those engine components which are not designed to be used with Ethanol blended fuels.

https://youtu.be/UvS_D4_lF5U

2. It's trivial to detect the ethanol content in your favourite petrol brand. Just add water to it.
Watch from about 0:20

https://youtu.be/bEf9Fdvx_Sc

[TDCi4Life]

https://youtu.be/F-yDKeya4SU

"The carbon released from land use changes alone can wipe out any climate benefit from biofuels"
- Cynthia Giles [Harward Law Schoo's Environmemtal and Energy Law Program]


Use 'environmental morality' as a cudgel to beat the common man into parting with more of his/her hard earned money.

The scam - laid bare by science.

[Sumedik]

Originally Posted by saikishor

Will my 390 Duke BS6 be compatible with this E20 fuel?

BS6 compliance does not automatically mean E20 compliance. You need to check your user manual to see if the bike would be E20 compliant. Most likely it will not be.