[fhdowntheline]

Originally Posted by TheHelix0202

This wasn't even one particular dealer but the entire website! At least the Skoda guys called back and enquired about my choice of dealership. C'mon, lacking the basic courtesy to deliver on a promised area by a manufacturer, irrespective of dealership or top management, speaks volumes about the interest and willingness of these people to sell an experience. Remember, it isn't just about selling a car. Maybe it's true that cars are now a commodity. It's as easy for me to walk into competitor X's showroom and pick up a similarly priced or higher priced variant. Truly not the customer's loss. Quoting a friend of mine, Honda (anybody tbh) might as well just pack its bags and leave.

Also, in an era of internet non-privacy, one is made to feel like a fool signing up on an umpteen number of websites, only for said action to have no use when it matters. So much for the user experience, of which I'm a designer.

Again, please dont seek customer experience at this stage. Its like asking Lego whether their construction toy will fulfill their child's requirement. The City is an established product, it is what it is. Choose the car if you seek space, refinement, good driver comfort and decently good performance and overall mechanical reliability. It also has some gripes which havent been resolved at the design stage (undersize tyres for example) and some feature deletions like rear camera with adaptive guidelines. But no product is ever complete. If you like the feel of a Honda City, go for it. But it isnt the best car out there in some areas like performance, and depending on how Hyundai packages the new Verna, may also be second best on some of its ace features like space.

[Vid6639]

Originally Posted by TheHelix0202

Honda really doesn't give a rat's arse anymore. Expected a call back when I enquired for a test drive on their website today. Nothing. The Skoda chaps called back, though they've their own issues.....that's the City dropped from the shopping cart real quick.

Might be a basic question but are you sure you don't have DND on or some spam blocker. Many times these calls get blocked with android spam blocker especially like my samsung does.

Maybe give them another chance? Experience of website I wouldn't take as a reason to reject a product.

[GTO]

Originally Posted by M00M

However, one thing we cannot criticise is their commitment to the City brand in India which continues to be updated timely and regularly and is the best in class all rounder.

Anybody who wants a reliable sedan, plan to keep it for 10 years, comfort oriented, with everything that just works should and will buy the Honda City rest all wanting performance can go to Skoda VW and people wanting diesel will go to Verna.

So damn true . I am currently travelling and my ride is a 2009 3rd-gen Honda City with 92000 km on the clock. Beautiful engine, smooth AT, decent space, extremely user-friendly...the car just runs & runs. I still spot several 3rd-gen Citys around, but not the Vernas from that era.

This remains the benchmark C2-segment sedan. The 4th-gen had its share of issues, but the 5th-gen City is spot on for the target market.

[autobahnjpr]

Having owned and driven one for 1 lakh kilometer, I can say than Honda City is an average car which is very overrated by its followers. Safety wise, build wise, German and Korean cars are far ahead.
Honda makes car lighter, gives a puny tyre to make sure they tick fuel average box but it wobbles and pitches giving a bouncy ride. Given the low ground clearance and soft suspension, a loaded one is sure to scrape and bottom out on large humps.
Feature wise, they are miserly. When in 2008 Dzire came with automatic climate control, they still offered manual a/c control. Even now, the screen and camera quality is sub par in the newly launched City.
I think sometimes it is difficult to take out the colored spectacles and view without prejudiced and jaundiced eyes.
My friend owned a dolphin shaped CHonda City and once a Hyundai Accent rammed it from behind on a red light because he stopped and the other person thought otherwise, the entire dickey (boot) caved in and there was barely a scratch on the Accent.
Verna is a very heavy car and is much safer than the lightweight City.

Originally Posted by M00M

People can continue to criticise Honda India and rightly so, despite having world class products they have faltered and how and still there is only talk. However, one thing we cannot criticise is their commitment to the City brand in India which continues to be updated timely and regularly and is the best in class all rounder.

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[IamThat]

Originally Posted by M00M

People can continue to criticise Honda India and rightly so, despite having world class products they have faltered and how and still there is only talk. However, one thing we cannot criticise is their commitment to the City brand in India which continues to be updated timely and regularly and is the best in class all rounder.

Having owned the dolphin and the arrow shot design of the City I think the new FL is a well rounded all rounder once again. I am looking forward to the test drive of the same.

Comparison to Slavia and Virtus - They only have the drivability going for them and performance otherwise I found their plastic quality and interior quality sub par and overpriced, the fact that Skoda sales guy agreed with me puts more weightage on that.

Comparison to Hyundai Verna - Having owned Hyundai's theyre not so cheap on maintenance and not big on safety, I have vowed never to buy another Hyundai until the made in India Hyundai is 5 star on Bharat NCAP list. I personally find the Verna spy photos ugly but then design is a subjective choice per person.

Anybody who wants a reliable sedan, plan to keep it for 10 years, comfort oriented, with everything that just works should and will buy the Honda City rest all wanting performance can go to Skoda VW and people wanting diesel will go to Verna.

Regarding 360 camera and Ventilated Seats omission, I have ventilated seats in my car but I never use them because I dont want the body odour of the driver to filter back to me so I dont find that a big deal. 360 would be nice but I find it baffling that we Indians want only features and not safety for us and our family. Having been in a life threatening accident I only value safety, comfort and reliability over performance (we cant go past 60 in city, 80 in MH highway and 100 on expressway anyways) and touch feel materials in the interior over gimmicks given by Hyundai and Kia which are terribly unsafe despite having 6 airbags as the body structure is compromised from day 1.

I hope some sanity prevails in Indians over safety and some sanity prevails at Honda India to relaunch CRV, Accord in India along with HRV and other global models.

Thanks for the post. Im here looking for an upgrade to my i10. Honda City does look like a good allrounder. Can you put in your view on the safety aspect of the car. Honda website doesn't make a mention of safety star rating. Not sure about v5.0, but City 4.0 body did feel more like Ciaz in term of strength. It is a general observation. Request share view on the safety rating of the Indian Honda City variant.

[svmvale]

Originally Posted by GTO

So damn true . I am currently travelling and my ride is a 2009 3rd-gen Honda City with 92000 km on the clock. Beautiful engine, smooth AT, decent space, extremely user-friendly...the car just runs & runs. I still spot several 3rd-gen Citys around, but not the Vernas from that era.

This remains the benchmark C2-segment sedan. The 4th-gen had its share of issues, but the 5th-gen City is spot on for the target market.

Very true GTO. 3rd Gen city was just amazing. Hated the 4th Gen City. Have clocked 125000 kms on my 6-year-old Vento. Eyeing the City Hybrid Zx as the most favoured replacement. Hoping i can afford it's ownership

[Venkatr]

Originally Posted by Dieseltuned

I will be hopping over to check out the new city over the weeekend and try and see if any of these can be retrofitted by Honda in my last year's model. Especially the infotainment and camera.

Well, I checked today with my HONDA dealership and none of these will be available as standard accessory to be fitted - Infotainment system, Camera, Boot Spoiler, Rear bumper carbon fibre insert nor the ADAS system (Honda Sense)

[CarCraze]

Originally Posted by Venkatr

Well, I checked today with my HONDA dealership and none of these will be available as standard accessory to be fitted - Infotainment system, Camera, Boot Spoiler, Rear bumper carbon fibre insert nor the ADAS system (Honda Sense)

I was expecting this. Honda might have made it difficult to retrofit them to the old cars to make the facelift a premium one.
Atleast from my expectations, this City facelift is big when it comes to Honda standards. The last facelift from Honda before this was that of Amaze and I could hardly believe what has changed. The price increase of mere 4K to 8K said all about it.

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[princely_pauper]

Originally Posted by Venkatr

Well, I checked today with my HONDA dealership and none of these will be available as standard accessory to be fitted - Infotainment system

Is the infotainment system/camera better than the one in the current City?

Originally Posted by Chethan B G

NVH in general comprises of the following factors

Thanks a lot for the detailed description!

Having made the mistake of not upgrading the tires right after delivery (despite my uncle and TeamBHP recommending it strongly), looks like my only option now is to get a quality under-coating done.

[fhdowntheline]

Originally Posted by IamThat

Thanks for the post. Im here looking for an upgrade to my i10. Honda City does look like a good allrounder. Can you put in your view on the safety aspect of the car. Honda website doesn't make a mention of safety star rating. Not sure about v5.0, but City 4.0 body did feel more like Ciaz in term of strength. It is a general observation. Request share view on the safety rating of the Indian Honda City variant.

I understand that the 4th gen Honda City was tested by GNCAP and was rated 4 stars for both adult and child safety. The car doesnt appear robustly built on touch- feel basis. But it has better structural strength than say, the Creta which feels more robust but is actually 3 star rated.

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[pkk077]

The biggest security feature in a car is mechanical reliability - a car which does not break down in the middle of nowhere. Honda shines in that area. City may not be a perfect product but it's probably the best in its class.

[On4Wheels]

Originally Posted by M00M

People can continue to criticise Honda India and rightly so, despite having world class products they have faltered and how and still there is only talk. However, one thing we cannot criticise is their commitment to the City brand in India which continues to be updated timely and regularly and is the best in class all rounder.

Well said. Today, buyers want the latest technology in their cars analogous to the gadget world. The engine is a very old technology, especially when it is a naturally aspirated engine. There is nothing to boast about engine technology (Honda iVTEC) when you find a 20 year old car with same iVTEC technology though it is an unlikely event to spot a 20 year old competitor car in this segment on road today.

[Venkatr]

Originally Posted by Chethan B G

Instead of Rogerub, if you are willing to spend some extra money, try getting all the 4 studs ( important as the car will start rocking if only 2 are replaced) replaced with the ones on eHev model. That would eliminate the problem as the shocks on the eHev have a much better damping. I would have preferred Bilstein B6 studs if they were available for the City

I confirmed with HONDA accessories dept and service personnel that the shocks in 5th gen City eHEV model will NOT fit in City 5th gen ICE model as the part numbers are different

[Naparajito]

Originally Posted by Venkatr

I confirmed with HONDA accessories dept and service personnel that the shocks in 5th gen City eHEV model will NOT fit in City 5th gen ICE model as the part numbers are different

Part number has to be different, if they are different. Fitment needs to be checked as the design may be the same. I do not think Honda would have changed the design of the shocks at the first place.