[TeddyBear]

Do these engine development and Tuning have any connections with Flex fuels plan?
Maybe they are tuning the petrol version too to support it.

[UD17]

When i talked to Tata friends working in Engine departments, they were thanking this rumor, at least they got slight importance again after Tata ditched 2.2L engine on newer SUVs.

This news is plain fake as it seems. Churning out large power>180 BHP is very difficult with the current set of hardware's and time at hand for introduction. So people just enjoy your current rides with 2.2L and do not hope for a fresh avatar.

[irdevanand]

Tata Motors (and MG Hector) use the 2.0 Multijet from Fiat which was first introduced in 2008. More than 25 cars have used that engine including the 2021 Cadillac XT4 in europe !! Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_J....0_Multijet_II

But there is a 2.2 Litre engine from same Fiat Multijet series which was introduced in 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_J....2_Multijet_II

COULD THIS BE THE 2.2 LITRE ENGINE THAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT, IF THE INHOUSE DICOR 2.2 IS NOT COMING BACK?

Regards
Dev

[SportsMedicine]

Surprised..! 2.2L Dicor coming back and is under testing.
Received in a whatsapp group.

[gopi_rm]

Originally Posted by SportsMedicine

Surprised..! 2.2L Dicor coming back and is under testing.
Received in a whatsapp group.

Attachment 2360435

Surprised to see LNT instead of SCR in >2L engine. Tata might keep the power <150 bhp otherwise it is difficult to fulfill BS6 norms with LNT alone.

[srh]

So along with the 2.2 Dicor, do we get back the Hexa? Given recent customer interest in Scorpio N & the pause on the Innova Crysta, relaunch of an updated Hexa could give Tata Motors some good volumes.

[damodar]

Originally Posted by SportsMedicine

Surprised..! 2.2L Dicor coming back and is under testing.
Received in a whatsapp group.

Attachment 2360435

This engine is already doing duty in Winger with LNT. The 2.2 will continue in the commercial division so unless we know more details like power out etc it can't be confirmed that the above engine is for Safari/Harrier.

[aditya79india]

So is this what all the buzz was for?

https://youtu.be/QNSWl17QRrU

PS: I still remain hopeful. 2.2/AT/AWD et al

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by aditya79india

So is this what all the buzz was for?

https://Youtu.be/QNSWl17QRrU

PS: I still remain hopeful. 2.2/AT/AWD et al

Don't get your hopes up.

This is just a facelift of the Yodha and Intra trucks. At most new grilles, bumpers and maybe a basic version of the new Tata steering wheel.

[arvindmanju]

Originally Posted by aditya79india

So is this what all the buzz was for?

https://Youtu.be/QNSWl17QRrU

PS: I still remain hopeful. 2.2/AT/AWD et al

Originally Posted by DicKy

Don't get your hopes up.

This is just a facelift of the Yodha and Intra trucks. At most new grilles, bumpers and maybe a basic version of the new Tata steering wheel.

You were spot on with your predictions Dicky. Yodha 2.0 pick up truck launched. I don’t see any big changes apart from what you have mentioned.

Yodha 2.0 ad

[Black_Star]

Originally Posted by arvindmanju

You were spot on with your predilection Dicky. Yodha 2.0 pick up truck launched. I don’t see any big changes apart from what you have mentioned.
Yodha 2.0 ad

Never saw kids getting excited for bags of cement, which are probably useless cause water got into them when crossing the river

[anil_rnair]

I am guessing the 2.2 engine that is being talked about, is for the new Yodha 2.0. Yodha 2.0 was unleashed this week. But looks like it has a reduced Torque figures compared to the one in Tata Hexa. Yodha 2.0 has only 250Nm.

https://www.tatamotors.com/press/tat...and-intra-v50/

[Carma2017]

In this era of accelerated extinction of Diesel as an automotive fuel worldwide, it is strange to see that the Indian Giants are still investing in development of Diesel Engine Technology. There is just no future in it. What is even more stranger is that they are doing it while simultaneously focussing on EVs as well. The world and the Indian market would be better off with a cheap EV like Tiago rather than a gas guzzler like this 2.0+ L Diesel.

[Benoit]

Originally Posted by Carma2017

In this era of accelerated extinction of Diesel as an automotive fuel worldwide, it is strange to see that the Indian Giants are still investing in development of Diesel Engine Technology. There is just no future in it. What is even more stranger is that they are doing it while simultaneously focussing on EVs as well. The world and the Indian market would be better off with a cheap EV like Tiago rather than a gas guzzler like this 2.0+ L Diesel.

American and European markets may move away from diesels quickly, on account of the large displacement petrol and turbo petrol options available.

How many >1.5L NA petrol engines do you see in India, from the non luxury brands? At the top of my head, I can only think of Innova, fortuner, alcazar. There would only be a couple more. Mahindra has three 2.0L turbo petrol (xuv700,scorpioN, thar).

The reason is, Indians are fuel efficiency conscious. You can't sell a car that offer 5kmpl. As long as, there are ICE cars, there will be diesel powered cars. EV can be the future, but the boom is at least 5 years away, could even be a decade. Until then, diesels will remain the primary choice for large SUV cars.

With the current emission standards, diesel engines have only become cleaner. Only grouse is the fuel price. That will apply to petrol as well. Also, it's only a matter of time until people realize EVs do not eliminates pollution, but only isolates them.

[Carma2017]

Originally Posted by Benoit

The reason is, Indians are fuel efficiency conscious. You can't sell a car that offer 5kmpl. As long as, there are ICE cars, there will be diesel powered cars. EV can be the future, but the boom is at least 5 years away, could even be a decade. Until then, diesels will remain the primary choice for large SUV cars.

With the current emission standards, diesel engines have only become cleaner. Only grouse is the fuel price. That will apply to petrol as well. Also, it's only a matter of time until people realize EVs do not eliminates pollution, but only isolates them.

As you might be aware, the emission norms upgradation did not end with BS 6. And I am not talking about BS 7. There is a BS 6 Stage II norms which is to be implemented from 2023 which are even more stringent. Apart from that there is already a mandatory upgradation in emission required as per CAFE norms. Following that there are the RDE norms as well. So, in a nutshell, the engine has to be continually upgraded. Earlier an LNT based system was enough for BS6. An SCR based system would be almost a must for stage 2 and further. This kind of continuous investment in Diesel is just not worth it and hence Diesel Tech is being made extinct worldwide. India will not be immune to the same.

Petrol engines offer inherent flexibility with combinations being also possible like Hybrids or Flex Fuel Vehicles or with CNG-Gasoline engines etc. This inherent flexibility makes it the short term future IC Engine Technology instead of Diesels.

I agree with you that EVs will not be 100% of the market very soon. And there will be a demand for Diesels in SUVs and in general as well. But the question is not of demand but rather supply. In case OEMs like Hyundai etc stop investing in Diesel Tech (as announced) and so do their suppliers, where would the parts and technology come from for further upgradation? And even if some OEMs like TATA and Mahindra do continue with Diesel Tech, they would keep getting costlier whilst the mass adoption of Non Diesel solutions would keep pushing price of these continually upgraded solutions further down. This point however will not come before 2-3 years at least.

So, hypothetically, if 2 years down the line a Strong Hybrid Car with a full tank to full tank mileage of 1000 kms is offered to a customer at the same price as a Diesel with much lower mileage, which one do you think would a customer purchase?