[Ragul]

Originally Posted by wacso

Stock Jimny all around the world, goes out of the Factory With a set of bridgestone dueler H/T 195/80 R15, the new 5 door tires should come in the same size

HT tyres for an off-road legend? What goes into the decision making behind choice of stock tyres to supply from showroom? Wait I think I know it - Sales and Marketing geniuses?

Engineering dept: “but… but…”
Marketing Dept: “OBECTION OVERRULED!”
Case closed!

[Black_Star]

Originally Posted by Ragul

HT tyres for an off-road legend? What goes into the decision making behind choice of stock tyres to supply from showroom? Wait I think I know it - Sales and Marketing geniuses?

Engineering dept: “but… but…”
Marketing Dept: “OBECTION OVERRULED!”
Case closed!

Its not like Suzuki doesn't provide off-road tires straight from factory. Special editions like Suzuki Jimny Sierra 4Sport has got Pirelli MTR off-road tyres.

Not every off-road legend that comes out of factory goes out on the mud tracks, even Suzuki knows it. On paved roads, compared to AT tires, HT tires will give longer tread-life, better handling, and shorter braking distances, in both dry and wet conditions.

Cost is the biggest deterrent for this, not everyone is willing to pay a premium for more expensive tires, when normal tires does the job just fine. Heck, normal HT tires work pretty good even on ice as long as the vehicle has 4wd.

[wacso]

Originally Posted by Ragul

HT tyres for an off-road legend? What goes into the decision making behind choice of stock tyres to supply from showroom? Wait I think I know it - Sales and Marketing geniuses?

Engineering dept: “but… but…”
Marketing Dept: “OBECTION OVERRULED!”
Case closed!

As far as i know, apart from special off-road editions such as Brazilian "4work" and "4sport" of Jimny 3, all Samurai, Jimny 3 and Jimny 4 come from the Factory With H/T tires, you just have to see the brochures to see them.









And here you got the Brazilian one.

[arjab]

Originally Posted by Ragul

HT tyres for an off-road legend? What goes into the decision making behind choice of stock tyres to supply from showroom? Wait I think I know it - Sales and Marketing geniuses?

Engineering dept: “but… but…”
Marketing Dept: “OBECTION OVERRULED!”
Case closed!

Standard Tyre choices, optional tyre choices and wheel/tyre upsizing limits are carefully considered and package protected in the design phase. Usually the drivers of tyre choices are:

-Vehicles' performance envelope, suspension geometry and braking targets.

- Regulations & winter tyre requirements ( For example from mid November to March of every year Germany & Austria mandates winter tyre and/or M&S all weather pattern). Pass-By noise regulations are also considered at this juncture.

-The particular vehicle's segment and majority of target customers' usage pattern. Snow chain usage etc are carefully considered here, trade-off decided and wheel wells and tyre sizes optimised to prevent clashes.

- Marketing inputs. Also inputs from Sourcing & Costing department. Usually marketing, dabbles in the area of wheel rim aesthetics alongwith styling team.

All these are shared with the tyre supplier. OEM will try to settle as much as possible for an "off - the - shelf" available tyre size. And negotiate with supplier on per piece cost.
Bespoke tyre sizes are very rare - maybe for ultra exclusive, niche/high performance vehicles, because the tyre supplier will charge the OEM the mould cost as well, which can run into millions of dollars.

[mpant05]

Some more visuals of the Jimny coming from Ladakh. They seem to have camped there :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeG9MJbOZFw

[Ragul]

Originally Posted by wacso

As far as i know, apart from special off-road editions such as Brazilian "4work" and "4sport" of Jimny 3, all Samurai, Jimny 3 and Jimny 4 come from the Factory With H/T tires, you just have to see the brochures to see them.

If HT tyres are always cheaper than AT then it’s a no-brainier that cost is the driving factor above all else.

PS: The flat hard top is way better looking than anything I’ve seen … too bad there was no aftermarket hardtop in that design here in India.

[rajchetan]

While enjoying my Drive during my latest visit to Thailand, See what caught my eye on the way to Rayong from Bangkok.

WOW My Heart Skipped a beat and we took the big loop back to stop over for a pic.

pic to banta hai bhai..!!

[Anwesh]

Originally Posted by Ragul

If HT tyres are always cheaper than AT then it’s a no-brainier that cost is the driving factor above all else.

PS: The flat hard top is way better looking than anything I’ve seen … too bad there was no aftermarket hardtop in that design here in India.

In case of the Gypsy, the floor raised quite a bit behind the front seats, hence flat hard top or soft top was not possible as that could not provide sufficient headroom for the rear seats.

The Jimny may have continued the floor level of the front till the rear seats, with a tunnel for the propeller shaft.

Regards,

[Ragul]

Originally Posted by Anwesh

In case of the Gypsy, the floor raised quite a bit behind the front seats, hence flat hard top or soft top was not possible as that could not provide sufficient headroom for the rear seats.

The Jimny may have continued the floor level of the front till the rear seats, with a tunnel for the propeller shaft.

Regards,

I doubt if anything about the transfer case and propellor shaft was re-engineered for the Gypsy to raise the floor height. In any case a flat top is perfect for those that use their Gypsy as a two seater with the rear Ben h seats removed (like I do).

Meanwhile I am seriously considering taking up knitting as a hobby to distract myself from the endless wait for the Jimny to arrive.

[Anwesh]

Originally Posted by Ragul

I doubt if anything about the transfer case and propellor shaft was re-engineered for the Gypsy to raise the floor height. In any case a flat top is perfect for those that use their Gypsy as a two seater with the rear Ben h seats removed (like I do).

No re engineering was done to the Gypsy with reference to the floor height. It stepped up behind the driver's seat. That was the original design. It is the Jimny that may have a redesigned floor.

Regards,

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by Ragul

I doubt if anything about the transfer case and propellor shaft was re-engineered for the Gypsy to raise the floor height. In any case a flat top is perfect for those that use their Gypsy as a two seater with the rear Ben h seats removed (like I do).

Meanwhile I am seriously considering taking up knitting as a hobby to distract myself from the endless wait for the Jimny to arrive.

Haha. I am also spending time playing with my Gypsy and peering at my Scale models, waiting like many here, to see this 5 door Jimny in the metal! But I am so fond of my Gypsy that I would find it very hard to part with it however much the new Jimny tugs at the heart.

[volkman10]

As known, Suzuki Jimny will be showcased at the Auto expo, but production and sale of the SUV ('s) will be in FY24.

Sale of Jimny (Gypsy ?) to be expected in the second half of 2023, along with YTB (Baleno based CUV).

The company has promised to showcase sports utility vehicles (SUV) at the upcoming India Auto Expo to be held in mid-January. These SUVs will go into production in FY24.

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[IB290]

Originally Posted by volkman10

production and sale of the SUV ('s) will be in FY24.
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Thank you. Any view on why they wouldn’t sell the 3 door one in the meanwhile? Service wise it might not be very different from 5 door.

Lot more Thar and Scorpio N’s will get sold by Q2 FY24.

[Carma2017]

Originally Posted by volkman10

As known, Suzuki Jimny will be showcased at the Auto expo, but production and sale of the SUV ('s) will be in FY24.

Sale of Jimny (Gypsy ?) to be expected in the second half of 2023, along with YTB (Baleno based CUV).



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My reliable sources tell me that production and sale of 5 Door Jimny will be taking place in H1 2023 CY along with the Baleno Cross.

[4x4addict]

Originally Posted by IB290

Thank you. Any view on why they wouldn’t sell the 3 door one in the meanwhile? Service wise it might not be very different from 5 door.

Common sense would dictate selling the 3-Door in Parallel. 90% of the service procedure and the parts will be the same. As you correctly pointed out the Thar despite being impractical sells in good numbers. There are two possible explanations for this besides the stupidity of Maruthi.

1) The rear seats of the Jimney are practically child seats, so they maybe foul of some silly ARAI rule that requires minimum seat dimensions or the minimum number of seats to classify as a passenger vehicle etc.

2) Given that they would have spent millions developing the 5-Door, they don't want the 3-Door to cannibalize the sales of the 5-Door so they can recover the development costs of the 5-Door faster.

But, my gut feel is that at some point, they will offer the 3-Door in India.