[achyutaghosh]

Originally Posted by Vignesh Vee

Grand Vitara unveiled in South Africa, Interestingly, the All Grip system is available with K15C Automatic.

Gives some insight into the probable India pricing i guess. The AWD with the auto tranny may breach the 20 lakh price mark i guess, and Suzuki may deem that too high a price for the car. Also, maybe it can be introduced later in the market if the car is successful

[dr_TJ]

Originally Posted by Vignesh Vee

Grand Vitara unveiled in South Africa, Interestingly, the All Grip system is available with K15C Automatic.

This is sad. Yes, AWD+AT will have a higher price and less buyers, but its not negligible.
C'mon Maruti & Toyota, just look at the Thar. 2nd Gen Thar has Petrol and Diesel AT and both are equipped with 4x4 with low range. Thar AT is selling quite well.

Why can't Maruti & Toyota consider a AWD AT for either Grand Vitara or Hyryder or both.

[drift2race]

Originally Posted by dr_TJ

This is sad. Yes, AWD+AT will have a higher price and less buyers, but its not negligible.
C'mon Maruti & Toyota, just look at the Thar. 2nd Gen Thar has Petrol and Diesel AT and both are equipped with 4x4 with low range. Thar AT is selling quite well.

Why can't Maruti & Toyota consider a AWD AT for either Grand Vitara or Hyryder or both.

Why not AWD with the strong hybrid ?

[dr_TJ]

Originally Posted by drift2race

Why not AWD with the strong hybrid ?

That will be super expensive when compared to AWD AT with the K15C. AWD AT with K15C is a Suzuki system.
I believe Toyota does have strong hybrid AWD cars in the international market but AWD is courtesy of electric motor on one end.

[Durango Dude]

Maruti/Toyota hopes that people are dumb enough to go for the high mileage and charge a Rs 4L premium for it. Moreover the Strong Hybrid has good city mileage, but when it comes to highways may not be all that good. So what you're paying up front of Rs 4L is the fuel savings for the future. For this you can either go a segment down and get a Seltos/Creta and save Rs 4L or could go a segment up and get a Carens/Alcazar for the same money and some savings if you go in for Carens.

[drift2race]

Originally Posted by dr_TJ

That will be super expensive when compared to AWD AT with the K15C. AWD AT with K15C is a Suzuki system.
I believe Toyota does have strong hybrid AWD cars in the international market but AWD is courtesy of electric motor on one end.

A torque converter with AWD would have been an awesome combo but somehow the boffins at Maruti have skipped it . I have driven Lexus SUV with the same system (not the same engine) and they do lack grunt despite being upwards of quoted 200 bhp on tap . Part of the problem why such super expensive car is slow is due to the e-cvt .

[vvrchandra]

https://www.rushlane.com/amp/new-mar...-12443968.html

Grand Vitara in white with dual tone finish in South Africa.

[CEF_Beasts]

Originally Posted by drift2race

Why not AWD with the strong hybrid ?

The already small boot of the strong hybrid will go for a further toss if AWD + strong hybrid is given…

[drift2race]

Originally Posted by CEF_Beasts

The already small boot of the strong hybrid will go for a further toss if AWD + strong hybrid is given…

That's a packaging or design problem because it can be accomplished easily by Toyota .

[Hickstead]

Originally Posted by drift2race

That's a packaging or design problem because it can be accomplished easily by Toyota .

It is now very clear that they used the Suzuki platform which can't accommodate a strong hybrid. Hence the boot space has gone for a toss. They have also considered India as third world market and provided a weaker powertrain unlike Honda hybrid, which is a step ahead in performance. May be they want to put a check to costs, and just provide a name sake hybrid car for India.

[drift2race]

Originally Posted by Hickstead

It is now very clear that they used the Suzuki platform which can't accommodate a strong hybrid. Hence the boot space has gone for a toss. They have also considered India as third world market and provided a weaker Powertrain unlike Honda hybrid which is a step ahead in performance. May be they want to put a check to costs, and just provide a name sake hybrid car for India.

I haven't seen the car in person but the boot space in the strong hybrid is really small . Also from the reviews which are out for the Toyota version the powertrain is weak .

[tarmacnaut]

Originally Posted by Hickstead

It is now very clear that they used the Suzuki platform which can't accommodate a strong hybrid. Hence the boot space has gone for a toss. They have also considered India as third world market and provided a weaker powertrain unlike Honda hybrid, which is a step ahead in performance. May be they want to put a check to costs, and just provide a name sake hybrid car for India.

The hybrid powertrain is same as 'Yaris cross hybrid', which is sold in Europe and Australia, which are definitely not third world markets.
And going by the reviews for 'Yaris cross hybrid', from reputable reviewers like Matt Watson from carwow and others in EU and Australia, this powertrain is definitely not a slouch as some of our media reviews claim to be. So definitely a test ride or actual owner reviews will give better idea on performance.
Agree about the bootspace, in Yaris cross it is the awd system that eats into the bootspace but not the hybrid battery and fwd version has no bootspace issues. So the suzuki platform is the reason.
The bootspace pretty much makes hyryder useless for people looking for a big suv. It is almost same as my Ritz, only the orientation is different. Maybe toyota took the 'urban cruiser' tag seriously by making this a city suv.

[krsiva]

Originally Posted by tarmacnaut

The hybrid powertrain is same as 'Yaris cross hybrid', which is sold in Europe and Australia, which are definitely not third world markets.
And going by the reviews for 'Yaris cross hybrid', from reputable reviewers like Matt Watson from carwow and others in EU and Australia, this powertrain is definitely not a slouch as some of our media reviews claim to be. So definitely a test ride or actual owner reviews will give better idea on performance.

Completely agree to the facts here, but reviewers still do point out that a lack of driver appeal is apparent in Toyota Yaris Cross Hybrid, and it can get noisy, too. Moreover the hybrid power system further dulls the experience.

[saurabh041086]

Originally Posted by vvrchandra

https://www.rushlane.com/amp/new-mar...-12443968.html

Grand Vitara in white with dual tone finish in South Africa.

The car in link does have the AWD with AT gearbox. Wonder what is holding Maruti from offering same in our market.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by tarmacnaut

Agree about the bootspace, in Yaris cross it is the awd system that eats into the bootspace but not the hybrid battery and fwd version has no bootspace issues. So the suzuki platform is the reason.

Because the Toyota platform on the Yaris Cross seems to be designed to incorporate the battery under the seat, whereas on the Suzuki platform - the battery is just placed in the boot.