[itsmeparvathy9]

Originally Posted by ajayc123

Price announcements gone to Sept? Some folks in tbhp were saying 14-aug?

The Toyota Urban Cruiser Hyryder's official price announcement is on August 16, whereas the Maruti Suzuki Grand Vitara's official price announcement is likely to be in September (no official date yet).

[saurabh041086]

Originally Posted by Carzilla

So it’s not either / or but often both running in parallel and hence they quote the combined output.

Even I would assume it should work like this. But the fact that they are not quoting the combined figure is making it hard to believe.

[Gupts007]

Originally Posted by harshbhat

Are you saying navigation is not displayed in heads-up display of Brezza and GV? What is the use of HUD then? Alright, cruise control data is displayed?

Just like a myriad of other things the HUD is a straight liftoff from the Baleno after it was plastered even on the Brezza.

That HUD does not show directions.
Only displays speed, the current great (AGS)-choice between RPM and Real time mileage and cruise control symbol if it's engaged.

[bhpfaninblr]

The hybrid engine is a 3-cylinder one. It would have been better if it were a 4-cylinder. Any news about when such an engine could make it to the Vitara. 3-cylinder engines are inherently unstable

[itsmeparvathy9]

Originally Posted by bhpfaninblr

The hybrid engine is a 3-cylinder one. It would have been better if it were a 4-cylinder. Any news about when such an engine could make it to the Vitara. 3-cylinder engines are inherently unstable

Both use the same engine and powertrain, and the Grand Vitara's launch is most likely to be in September whereas Hyryder launches on August 16.

[nilesh111]

Just saw a poster of Lakozy - the dealer for Toyota on Mumbai Ahmedabad Highway. The poster says, "price starts from 9.02 lac". I was speeding away and hence, did not stop to click a picture, but it seems prices are out.

[ajayc123]

Originally Posted by nilesh111

Just saw a poster of Lakozy - the dealer for Toyota on Mumbai Ahmedabad Highway. The poster says, "price starts from 9.02 lac". I was speeding away and hence, did not stop to click a picture, but it seems prices are out.

Not yet on their website though.

[denny_ace]

As you all may agree, there's nothing called a 'perfect car'. Each one has its merits and demerits. They are like two sides of a coin. The fuel economy, reliability and modern SUVish appeal are going to be the strengths of the Toyota Hyryder and the Grand Vitara. Lack of outright punch and the slightly lesser refinement of the 3-cylinder engine may be their weaknesses. But then these are required for improved FE and keeping costs under check. It will be interesting to see whether the automatic transmission is going to be a torque converter or the e-CVT. The electronic CVT is a notch above the conventional CVT (already being used by Toyota in the Yaris Hybrid hatchback overseas) and offers better driveability and FE.

[nomad47]

Originally Posted by nilesh111

Just saw a poster of Lakozy - the dealer for Toyota on Mumbai Ahmedabad Highway. The poster says, "price starts from 9.02 lac". I was speeding away and hence, did not stop to click a picture, but it seems prices are out.

Are you sure you saw the Urban Cruiser Hyryder and not the Urban Cruiser?

Originally Posted by denny_ace

As you all may agree, there's nothing called a 'perfect car'. Each one has its merits and demerits. They are like two sides of a coin. The fuel economy, reliability and modern SUVish appeal are going to be the strengths of the Toyota Hyryder and the Grand Vitara. Lack of outright punch and the slightly lesser refinement of the 3-cylinder engine may be their weaknesses. But then these are required for improved FE and keeping costs under check. It will be interesting to see whether the automatic transmission is going to be a torque converter or the e-CVT. The electronic CVT is a notch above the conventional CVT (already being used by Toyota in the Yaris Hybrid hatchback overseas) and offers better driveability and FE.

Is not it already confirmed that the mild hybrid ATs are torque converter and the strong hybrids are fitted with e-CVT?

[denny_ace]

Originally Posted by nomad47

Is not it already confirmed that the mild hybrid ATs are torque converter and the strong hybrids are fitted with e-CVT?

Is it? Sorry! My bad. I probably missed out the finer details of the transmission being offered. Thanks for confirming. The strong hybrid seems to be a compelling package

[Mustang_Boss]

Originally Posted by bhpfaninblr

The hybrid engine is a 3-cylinder one. It would have been better if it were a 4-cylinder. Any news about when such an engine could make it to the Vitara. 3-cylinder engines are inherently unstable

Unstable? No.
3 potters are more efficient and generate more power. The only drawback is NVH because of the configuration.

If the 3 pot is propelling the engine, then yes. More NVH.
But Strong hybrids use the motor to generate electricity and then use the electricity to propel. So, mostly the engine stays in certain RPM bands as per configuration and the engine would have been optimally tuned for longevity and lower NVH. Even if the motor does propel, it would be confined to certain workloads at certain speeds.

I would say, be open to drive and see the strong hybrids in person and decide, because the underlying principle has been changed. Motor doesn't propel the vehicle.

[denny_ace]

Originally Posted by saurabh041086

Even I would assume it should work like this. But the fact that they are not quoting the combined figure is making it hard to believe.

As per a media article I read, the peak power and torque of the mild hybrid will be 103 PS and 138 Nm respectively. The strong hybrid will have a combined output of 115.5 PS and 122 Nm.

[Razor44]

Originally Posted by Mustang_Boss

Unstable? No.
3 potters are more efficient and generate more power. The only drawback is NVH because of the configuration.

If the 3 pot is propelling the engine, then yes. More NVH.
But Strong hybrids use the motor to generate electricity and then use the electricity to propel. So, mostly the engine stays in certain RPM bands as per configuration and the engine would have been optimally tuned for longevity and lower NVH. Even if the motor does propel, it would be confined to certain workloads at certain speeds.

I would say, be open to drive and see the strong hybrids in person and decide, because the underlying principle has been changed. Motor doesn't propel the vehicle.

In certain situations it will be reverse though. The car might be cruising with minimal activity from the electric motor , but the petrol engine can be working overtime depending on battery charge etc. In those cases , the driver feels there is unusually noisy petrol motor , even when there is minimal input from the driver. This can be disconcerting.

[ajayc123]

In a typical city driving what percent of time should we expect the engine to running in a hybrid ? I guess that will correspond to the equivalent NHV experience.

[ruhtam]

Originally Posted by Razor44

In certain situations it will be reverse though. The car might be cruising with minimal activity from the electric motor , but the petrol engine can be working overtime depending on battery charge etc. In those cases , the driver feels there is unusually noisy petrol motor, even when there is minimal input from the driver. This can be disconcerting.

Same reasons I'm concerned about strong hybrids. The engine is put to lot of work during long drives and a low powered 3 cylinder also might yield a lower economy while pulling a heavy 1.3 ton vehicle. Plug-In hybrids at least have an option to charge in between, but adds up more complexity and space within the vehicle.

Since I usually do upwards of 25k kms a year and I'm kind of looking to switch to something like a hybrid apart from obvious diesel choices. I actually haven't found any logical answer around this.