[VictorCharlie]

I checked with two dealerships in Bangalore, they both confirmed diesel Crysta bookings are stopped and petrol variants could get stopped at anytime. At the same time both were pushing for booking the new hybrid now itself, where one dealer asked for 1 lakh, the other is ready to do this for 25k. Is it wise to pre book at this time?

[Pyrotek]

Originally Posted by VictorCharlie

I checked with two dealerships in Bangalore, they both confirmed diesel Crysta bookings are stopped and petrol variants could get stopped at anytime. At the same time both were pushing for booking the new hybrid now itself, where one dealer asked for 1 lakh, the other is ready to do this for 25k. Is it wise to pre book at this time?

In simple terms - No. Unless you're a well-connected and influential person, you are basically allowing a dealership to earn interest on your money. Moreover, let Toyota announce something officially.

[volkman10]

Toyota Innova Zenix (Indonesia):

- Innova Zenix is getting bigger: Wheelbase is likely to be 2,850 mm to make the car more spacious, then increase comfort. (Current WB is 2750 mm)

- Regarding the design of the engine compartment, the focus of component placement is lower in an increasingly compact space. So that it can improve security and safety thanks to clearer forward visibility. Helps to lower the car's center of gravity, in an effort to improve stability.

- Zenix's Innova damping system will also change. In the current model, the front suspension uses a Double Wishbone with Coil Spring Stabilizer then behind the 4-Link with Coil Spring and Lateral Road. As the chassis became a monocoque, the array alternated with a MacPherson Strut at the front and a Torsion Beam at the rear wheels.

- The Innova Zenix Hybrid version will combine a 2.0-liter engine, an electric motor and lithium-ion battery support.

- The conventional trim remains the same gasoline engine.

- The Toyota Safety Sense (TSS) and Intouch features as telematics technology are certain to be embedded.

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[volkman10]

Indonesia:

Toyota Innova Zenix uses engine from India.

Based on some of our observations, this MPV using the TNGA-C platform will use a 2.0-liter gasoline engine and a 2.0-liter hybrid.

Zenix will use an M20-FKS coded 4-cylinder engine for its conventional type. As for the hybrid type, it relies on the M20-FXS coded engine. Both of these machines were previously already used on the Voxy.

Zenix is assembled in Indonesia, but the machine (engine)used will be imported intact from India

This car is not only produced in Indonesia, but like the Innova, India also produces it

Innova Zenix Hybrid will be optional aka produced less. While conventional engine versions will be more numerous.

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[ObsessedByFIAT]

I don't know how dependable this piece of news is. So please take it with a pinch of salt, the way I took it.

Last week had visited a Nexa showroom in Pune to have a look at the XL6. During the conversation, the sales advisor mentioned that Toyota is bringing its own version of XL6 as early as March 2023.

Have no clue where he got this information, however, he sounded pretty confident about this.

[Sankar]

Originally Posted by ObsessedByFIAT

Last week had visited a Nexa showroom in Pune to have a look at the XL6. During the conversation, the sales advisor mentioned that Toyota is bringing its own version of XL6 as early as March 2023.

Have no clue where he got this information, however, he sounded pretty confident about this.

This sounds plausible, the XL6 (already has resemblance to Crysta from the front) with the Toyota 1.5 Hybrid engine can take on Carens. The 1.5 hybrid engine is now sold only in Grand Vitara/Hyryder; putting this engine in XL6/Toyota XL6 will give them more numbers.
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The Innova Zenix with 2850mm wheelbase with front McPherson Strut and rear Torsion beam suspension with 2L Hybrid engine means it would be a TNGA-C platform vehicle. Voxy? Noah? or something based on this? The specs match to the T. This would be priced above the current Innova Crysta.
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How I expect things to pan out for Innova?

1. Innova to become a sub brand.
2. An XL6 based version with hybrid option to take on the Carens.
3. TNGA-C based hybrid only version to take on Carnival and higher segment.
4. The present Crysta to continue till current IMV platform runs which is usually 10 years. In 2025-26 current IMV platform completes 10 years.
5. There won't be a new body on frame Innova after the current version.

[ObsessedByFIAT]

Originally Posted by Sankar

This sounds plausible

So are we saying the current Innova will spawn into three different MPVs?

1. The current Innova Crysta continues for as long as it's viable
2. The 2.0L strong hybrid model
3. The XL6 equivalent of Toyota

Though I agree this would give a very large coverage to Toyota, but will they really do it? 3 cars in the same segment at different price points?

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by volkman10

As the chassis became a monocoque, the array alternated with a MacPherson Strut at the front and a Torsion Beam at the rear wheels.

It was expected, since the Noah/Voxy (the expensive siblings of the Hycross/Zenix) too have just a torsion beam at the rear. But hoped for the rear independent double wishbone suspension since this is based on the TNGA-C platform. No way this is going to handle eight passengers and their luggage and 100+km/h and Indian highways like the present Innova does.

Since this is said to not get a manual tranmission at all, I am more convinced that this is a more developing world focussed version of the Voah/ Noxy. Decontented, sliding doors removed, more mainstream shape than the absolute box shape of the JDM models.

Originally Posted by Sankar

This sounds plausible, the XL6 (already has resemblance to Crysta from the front) with the Toyota 1.5 Hybrid engine can take on Carens. The 1.5 hybrid engine is now sold only in Grand Vitara/Hyryder; putting this engine in XL6/Toyota XL6 will give them more numbers.

Never thought of this. That would be an awesome addition. Since they have started making the 1.5l/2.0l engines here, more chances of newer models using them. (If they are not going the Ford way by prioritising exports over domestic sales)

Originally Posted by Sankar

[*]The present Crysta to continue till current IMV platform runs which is usually 10 years. In 2025-26 current IMV platform completes 10 years.[*]There won't be a new body on frame Innova after the current version.[/list]

All depends on how Toyota sees the Innova Hycross sales vs the Innova Crysta sales even after the Hycross's introduction. The next gen Fortuner/Hilux is already set to be based on the TNGA-F platform. Even if the Fortuner moves upmarket, the Hilux has to stay competitive among its rivals. So they will find a way to make it cost effective. So more chance of the Innova making the jump to the TNGA-F platform. Ofcourse, if the Hycross is successful enough, they may either phase out the present Innova when the other IMV platform vehicles make the jump to TNGA-F or flog the Innova till the powers that be outlaw diesel vehicles.

[Astargea]

Originally Posted by ObsessedByFIAT

I don't know how dependable this piece of news is. So please take it with a pinch of salt, the way I took it.

Last week had visited a Nexa showroom in Pune to have a look at the XL6. During the conversation, the sales advisor mentioned that Toyota is bringing its own version of XL6 as early as March 2023.

Have no clue where he got this information, however, he sounded pretty confident about this.

I wonder if the rumour is true, why don't they bring it earlier? The new Glanza was unveiled a week after the Baleno, why can't they do the same with the XL6 (and the Brezza/UC)?

Originally Posted by DicKy

It was expected, since the Noah/Voxy (the expensive siblings of the Hycross/Zenix) too have just a torsion beam at the rear. But hoped for the rear independent double wishbone suspension since this is based on the TNGA-C platform. No way this is going to handle eight passengers and their luggage and 100+km/h and Indian highways like the present Innova does.

Torsion beam is almost guaranteed. To save space so the third row space is larger, and to cut cost because this is an emerging market product. Even the Vellfire (a 92 lakh car!) still uses torsion beam for space reasons. The only way an independent suspension can be justified is when they bring real AWD (not e-AWD).

[PrideRed]

Seeing all the news/ rumours is like DejaVu. When Innova was about to be launched, people, big media houses, dealers all said Qualis will continue alongside Innova. Toyota shocked everyone by stopping Qualis. Same story continued when Crysta was to be launched. Rumours were even bigger and Toyota did what seemed like repeat of its previous decision. If we are to go by these historical data, there will be only one Innova, anyway time will tell.

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by Astargea

Torsion beam is almost guaranteed. To save space so the third row space is larger, and to cut cost because this is an emerging market product. Even the Vellfire (a 92 lakh car!) still uses torsion beam for space reasons. The only way an independent suspension can be justified is when they bring real AWD (not e-AWD).

Yes, more to do with cost savings. I just hoped since many TNGA-C models do have rear independent suspension. Ofcourse a well tuned torsion beam rear will make us forget what is underneath. Still. A well tuned independent rear suspension is better than a non independent suspension, especially at the limits.

The Vellfire does have rear double wishbone suspension, like almost all models on the TNGA-K are. Yes, we can see in models like the Duster and Corolla Cross that the AWD versions get independent rear suspension. But there are lots of small AWD vehicles with torsion beam rear too, including the recently launched Grand Vitara.

Originally Posted by PrideRed

Seeing all the news/ rumours is like DejaVu.

One big difference is that Qualis- Innova- Innova Crysta didn't change from the base points. A BoF RWD MUV with a large capacity diesel engine and can seat 8 passengers. With the Hycross, the change is much more drastic. Ofcourse there is a huge market for a comfortable MPV between the Innova and Vellfire and people will lap up the new model no doubt. But at the cost of the current Innova?

[mohan41]

Originally Posted by Sankar

This sounds plausible, the XL6 (already has resemblance to Crysta from the front) with the Toyota 1.5 Hybrid engine can take on Carens. The 1.5 hybrid engine is now sold only in Grand Vitara/Hyryder; putting this engine in XL6/Toyota XL6 will give them more numbers.

Is it really feasible to add the new components of the 1.5 strong hybrid (motor, additional battery) in existing XL6 which already has very less boot space? The XL6 mild hybrid has a small battery under front seat but can that space hold a strong hybrid's battery? Can the motor fit into existing engine bay of XL6 which appears to be smaller than the engine bay of hyryder?

Or is it just a rebadged XL6 with mild hybrid?

[volkman10]

Indonesia:

Leaked Dynamic Force Engine specifications that will be used by Toyota Innova Zenix and Hybrid.

- Will use the latest TNGA-C platform and it is certain that the engine sector will also change.

- The performance support uses the code M20A-FKS with a 1,986 cc. (referred to as the Toyota Dynamic Force engine, as it belongs to the Toyota Voxy.)

- Regular Innova Zenix, the engine uses M20A-FKS 1,986 cc, 4 cylinders, 16 valves, DOHC. Each cylinder is supplied by two injectors. Through the new formulation, there was a significant increase in power compared to the old model.

- The compression ratio is 1:13. Then the four-piston combustion resultant gives a maximum torque boost of up to 205 Nm at 4,800 rpm.

- The power surge was distributed by 172 PS since 6,600 rpm. Thermal efficiency reaches 40 percent.

- Hybrid variant: Dynamic Force engine M20A series, volume of the combustion chamber is 1,986 cc, the size of the bore x stroke is no different from 80.5 mm x 97.6 mm. But the compression ratio became 1:14.

The power generated from the gasoline engine in the Innova Zenix Hybrid may be around 146 PS at 6,000 rpm. The maximum twisting moment is achieved at 180 Nm at 4,400 rpm. Thermal efficiency of 41 percent.

-The power supply in all variants, no longer uses the usual automatic transmission, but a CVT to the front wheels aka FWD. As a result, although it is more powerful, the new engine plus the TNGA frame structure can make the car more efficient.

-Reflecting on the Voxy, the consumption of combined gasoline is at the level of 15 kilometers / liter. It should be that the Toyota Innova Zenix (regular) can follow this step.






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[volkman10]

As Innova/Zenix launch nears, the MUV spotted in India again!




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[vishal rathee]

One thing is clear from latest pics doing the round, the car has a floating central screen and not an in-dash one...definitely a thumbs up. Haven't come across any interior pics so far.