[AutoNoob]

Originally Posted by volkman10

- Tata Punch contributed to 25% of the OEM’s dispatches in Oct.

Originally Posted by achyutaghosh

1. Punch packs a solid punch, no pun intended. But from which cars are they gaining these 8000+ units? Hard to make out in a chip shortage affected month, but some definitely from stablemate Taigo, though not Nexon.

Originally Posted by punto_

Tata Punch did start with a Punch! That's great start for a brand new launch.

Production of Tata Punch started in September month itself, including ramp-up. Dispatches started only in October. So, these numbers may not reflect the impact of chip shortage. We need to wait for Nov & Dec numbers to arrive at any conclusion.


Source : TOI

To meet the initial supply requirements, the production of the new SUV began in September this year and its deliveries will begin today.

[amol4184]

A 20-25 L car is selling 6k units/month. I think that's the biggest story here.

[aravind.anand]

So Tata Motors aimed for 3rd place in Passenger vehicle sales, and is now threatening Hyundai to take second place!

Whoa, no one saw this coming a decade ago. I have personally experienced the change in the mindset of my father, who refused to even get into the Tata dealership to see the Maza / Linea back in 2011, to now wanting to test drive the Nexon and Harrier before deciding his next vehicle. Tata indeed has come a long way, and they still are growing from strength to strength with each successive launch.

[avishar]

Observation:

Gloster, a failure?

Gloster started of big, with 650 odd sales in the 1st month and since then, numbers have been trending down. It is down to the 250s now. Ofcourse there is production constraint in the form of semiconductor shortages but the Gloster's weakness in monthly numbers has been seen since earlier this year.

Endeavour, even during the last few months of which we have the sales data, managed to sell close to 1000 units a month. And looking at Fortuner, it looks like the sales leader is sitting on its throned, did not even get ruffled by Gloster.

Gloster, another addition to the grave of models which had tried to challenge Fortuner?

[ArTigor]

Originally Posted by aravind.anand

So Tata Motors aimed for 3rd place in Passenger vehicle sales, and is now threatening Hyundai to take second place!
Whoa, no one saw this coming a decade ago.

A decade ago? No one saw this coming 4 years ago, in fact Tata just gained momentum in the last 2.5 years. Big feat and case study for the likes of Nissan, VW, Skoda.

Originally Posted by AutoNoob

Production of Tata Punch started in September month itself, We need to wait for Nov & Dec numbers to arrive at any conclusion.

Yes absolutely right, I guess the Punch will settle down at 7-8k units average, Turbo, sunroof and electric might just add another 2.5k in the long run and then 10k average Punches might be possible.

On the other side XUV700 surely seems to have made a dent in a lot of popular cars, I agree semiconductor shortage is a factor that shows us reduced numbers, but then again if the model is being produced less then it shows two things
1- either the demand has faded and chip supplies have been rationalized to other high demand/profit models.
2- Facelift/Next gen is under way.

It seems people who were looking at buying the higher variants of Sonet and Nexon, Base variants of Safari and Mid variants of Creta and Alcazar, are cancelling their bookings especially those with top end Nexon and Sonet are willing to extend their budget by 3 lakhs to get the entry level XUV700. Harrier, Seltos seems to be untouched by the XUV700 though as of now. only thing that's deterring people from the XUV700 is the long waiting period.

On an another note, Take a moment to appreciate the fact that Tata is selling 4.5k cars at an average in the 10-20 lakh rupees bracket.

By the way what's up with Citroen in India, Haven't seen any of their car in Mumbai. Their sales dispatch is a monthly 50 cars at an average! By following MG and Kia strategy of bringing higher products first has Citroen faulted? Is Citroen dead on arrival?

Duster suddenly makes its presence felt, So does the Kicks. Don't know about Nissan, but look at Renault they show some great potential, no more a one model player, their sales are evenly distributed across all of their cars.

I feel Nissan, VW and Skoda still reluctant to whole heartedly cater the Indian automotive scene, they still are a one model at any time player. they need to introspect if Tata(who was struggling with tech, design, service and outreach) is able to sell 3000 copies of a 15 lakh rupee car, why cant these 3 bring in more cars in 10-15 lakh range? and sell them well?

[fhdowntheline]

Originally Posted by amol4184

A 20-25 L car is selling 6k units/month. I think that's the biggest story here.

Indeed! Credit to Toyota where it's due, while we normally criticize it these days for riding the coattails of MSIL. Otherwise it seems the Oct-21 Sales thread is the most sluggish threads among the monthly sales threads .

[Staraptor]

Originally Posted by amol4184

A 20-25 L car is selling 6k units/month. I think that's the biggest story here.

I know right! That's incredibly impressive.
I think Toyota should perhaps capitalise on it, by launching a more SUV-ish version of the Crysta (Like XL6 for ertiga), and put in more effort into it, compared to the erstwhile Touring Sport.
Look at the XL6! It hasn't dented into the Ertiga sales, but has actually increased sales for what is the same car.
I also doubt doing this would even remotely cannibalise their Fortuner sales, since well:

a) Fortuner buyers want a Fortuner only, period.
b) Unlike with the 2.8L crysta, there is a HUGE difference in the off-roadibilty and performance offered with the Fortuner.
c) Would shed the taxi image of Innova and make it more appealing to Private Owners.
d) Would also perhaps appeal to the Safari/XUV700 owners looking for some boot space along with seating 7 people.

[tsi_niks1989]

Originally Posted by achyutaghosh

6. Polo sales dwindling. Is the NLine affecting it? But i20 sales also has been depressed this month.

More than the NLine, it is their own in-house Taigun/Kushaq effect. They are in process of updating their complete assembly line to MQB A0 IN and dealers have stopped taking orders for Polo for now to give way to new products. Also Slavia and Virtus are due for launch early next year so we can expect Polo sales coming down further.

[starke]

How to ruin a bar chart, the Nissan way

Originally Posted by Aditya

[achyutaghosh]

Originally Posted by avishar

Observation:

Gloster, a failure?

Gloster started of big, with 650 odd sales in the 1st month and since then, numbers have been trending down. It is down to the 250s now. Ofcourse there is production constraint in the form of semiconductor shortages but the Gloster's weakness in monthly numbers has been seen since earlier this year.

Endeavour, even during the last few months of which we have the sales data, managed to sell close to 1000 units a month. And looking at Fortuner, it looks like the sales leader is sitting on its throned, did not even get ruffled by Gloster.

Gloster, another addition to the grave of models which had tried to challenge Fortuner?

See, most competitors in this segment know they cannot challenge the Fortuner, but the best case scenario for them is whether they can become a credible alternative in the segment with reasonable sales volumes. The Fortuner with its range of engines (petrol and diesel), transmissions (auto and manual), class leading 4x4 capability, wide service network and unparalled customer trust has all the bases covered.

The reasonability of sales success is a company specific metric though. The Gloster has space and features going for it. It also has brand (both the newness of it, and the China linkage), price (it is not cheap as say the Alturas), and capability (check out some BOF comparison videos on youtube) going against it. Given all that, 350 units a month, after the initial hype settled down, i think is great- whether it is what MG would have settled for to start with- not sure.

Mahindra, with all its network, Indian-ness and sweet pricing could not even move half those numbers, so there's that.

Will be interesting to see post Endeavour, whether Gloster records some gains. My thinking is that not all that crowd will go to Fortuner, some may consider Gloster.

[Kickdown]

Tata is hot on Hyundai's heels. Mahindra not far behind. If M&M keeps bringing in products like XUV700 then they sure can catch up with the top 3.

I guess whats working for Tata and M&M in recent times is that they are building solid car which are high on safety ratings and are proudly advertising it, as they should. The Indian customer is waking up to the fact that safety on road is non-negotiable. I hope that’s the case anyways.

And then there are some who still want a hassle free, "kitna deti hai" type car oblivious of the safety aspect. In comes Maruti.

[pseudo_coder]

Originally Posted by Staraptor

d) Would also perhaps appeal to the Safari/XUV700 owners looking for some boot space along with seating 7 people.

I need that, and would have got Innova top end if it had just one change - a bench seat. Same problem in Kia Carnival. I fail to understand how much extra would it cost them to provide both options - bench seat and captain seat for every variant.

[sreddyhere]

Skoda sold 17 Karoqs in October. How is this possible when the car was not on sale for almost a year or did I miss something here?

I have written to Zac in Sept 2021 enquiring about availability of Karoq. He confirmed that there were none.

[Equus]

Originally Posted by Staraptor

I know right! That's incredibly impressive.
I think Toyota should perhaps capitalise on it, by launching a more SUV-ish version of the Crysta (Like XL6 for ertiga), and put in more effort into it, compared to the erstwhile Touring Sport.
Look at the XL6! It hasn't dented into the Ertiga sales, but has actually increased sales for what is the same car.
I also doubt doing this would even remotely cannibalise their Fortuner sales, since well:

a) Fortuner buyers want a Fortuner only, period.
b) Unlike with the 2.8L crysta, there is a HUGE difference in the off-roadibilty and performance offered with the Fortuner.
c) Would shed the taxi image of Innova and make it more appealing to Private Owners.
d) Would also perhaps appeal to the Safari/XUV700 owners looking for some boot space along with seating 7 people.

Why aren't they launching the Corolla Cross crossover here? Makes total sense around Compass pricing as many would be interested.

[AutoConsultant]

Kushaq+Taigun already selling around 5k units, just few months after the launch. I felt 5k would be the average monthly figure but looks like it will go down more. Kushaq's niggles have had major impact on sales and has gathered a lot of negative publicity.

The VW group had to either differentiate their product based on quality and then demand a price premium OR undercut competitor's pricing and provide slightly inferior quality product (relative to their standards). They have messed up badly.