[createrkid]

This is hands down the best dig at Maruti so far. The baleno dents if you look at it the wrong way. Wish people actually gave a hoot and voted with their wallets.

[SaiSW]

Originally Posted by gkveda

I agree TATA cars are always safer than Maruti cars. Reason being, most of the times, TATA Cars are in service centers for repair work and if, in case, they get on to the roads, they will be stranded somewhere in mid of the road automatically without any accidents.
So, less run TATA cars will always be less accident prone and more safer than the cars that runs continually on roads.

You do realise how awkward that sounds right? Nothing, and I repeat NOTHING will change the FACT that most Maruti cars are unsafe tin cans. Now I cannot talk on behalf of you or anybody else, but if you ask me if I prefer to drive a car that's unreliable (according to you) but keeps me on the ground or a poorly built death trap that is more reliable but will take me 6 feet under the ground some day, I'm taking the former, anyday, anytime. Sorry, but I'd rather prefer to be stranded on the side of the road than get erased from existence.

There is no concept of any "glasshouses" here. They need to be shamed, they need to realise that they're playing with lives. A leader is supposed to lead with an example, I don't think the market leader Maruti is setting too many examples for the rest of the market to follow. They need to be shamed until they recognise their mistakes and takes action.

It's not like they don't know how to build good cars. Leave their cars abroad, the brezza alone is proof that they're capable. The brezza turning out to be a safe car is a perfect example that they're finally shifting a part of their focus (albeit still tiny). So this needs to be in the lime light. Up and until they shift all, or atleast a sizeable part of their focus to this.

[AZT]

I think Tata needs these ads to stay relevant in the market. Only 3 of their cars are GNCAP rated 4 star but they need the people to believe that the brand as a whole is safe. So these potshots make the people think even a Harrier / Safari / Nexon is as safe as a Tigor / Altroz / Tiago. As someone pointed out above, the Nexon isn't safety rated anymore but the branding is such that even today people mention that old rating as a buying point.

[greenhorn]

I think Maruti should post back, that a car is safest when it is always at the workshop
But that's not what cars are made for !

As much as Tata cars are safe, it needs to be backed up with the confidence that it will start every day and not stall randomly on the road.
If it does, odds are that you will end up in a maruti taxi cab!

[Slick]

Great dig by Tata, I own both Maruti & Tata, in petrol. so I understand this well.

Tata is desperately trying to bring Safety aspect of a vehicle in to discussion for Indians. All this marketing is to try and make Indians aware that they excel at safety. Any one would do that, try and sell their positives and hide negatives.

For me clearly

Where Tata Leads
1. Price
2. Safety
3. Build Quality
4. Space
5. Comfort
6. Features (My Impression, might be wrong here)

Where Maruti Trumps
1. Reliability
2. Service Reach & Quality
3. Efficiency
4. Ease of driving, ergonomics
5. Peppy cars (Obviously less weight)



Of late I am observing people getting bitter when they see such threads of one brand vs other, I saw the same on the i20N-Line thread, Not sure why people get worked up so much. In fact I am hoping this leads to Maruti taking up the challenge and launching 4-5* cars to shut Tata up.

Also, I always thought Tata Nexon, Zest, Altroz and Tiago are satisfactorily reliable(not Maruti level may be).
The only issue I am aware of is with Harrier.

The amount of times reliability has been mentioned in this thread, Am I missing something ?

- Slick

[racer_ash]

Another Tata related thread and we have people here putting their foot down that Tata cars spend more time in ASC than in owners garages. I wonder how many of these learned members actually own and drive Tatas everyday. Same old story where the essence of the thread is diluted while adding Zilch value on the actual discussion.

To each his own. I am a happy Tiago owner from last 2 years. The only niggle I faced was the clock resetting itself which was solved by the ASC in 5mins.

Having owned Marutis and Hyundai's before and holding them in high regard once upon a time, now I know where they shortchange aam junta. So on the discussion of safety which this thread is about, I am extremely happy that most Marutis are regarded as TIN CANS. As long as fanboys who exist who don't accept any shortcomings, Maruti will continue to dish out automobiles that can't withstand even an impact with a bicycle.

Peace be with those who think otherwise.

[Emvi]

Although Tata cars are genuinely superior in terms of build, marketing gimmicks are getting tasteless these days. It's high time Tata realises 'reliability' is as important a safety aspect as any other. There have been talks of consumers being ill-informed or naive and this is widely believed to be the reason for Tata not matching competitors' sales numbers. I beg to differ. Being judgmental about others' buying decisions is one of the easiest things we all tend to do. I honestly believe consumers today are more shrewd than ever. A lot of factors influence a person's vehicle buying decision, not just crash test rating alone. 5 star or no star rating, if one tries to drive like a moviestar on public roads, you will be left thanking your stars for staying in one piece.

Marketing is very much required, no doubt. But importantly, let your product/service do the talking. Period.

P.S.- I am neither a Maruti fanboy nor a Tata hater. I like Maruti cars for the hassle free ownership they offer in general and at the same time, I really admire the build of the present day Tata cars.

[Lalvaz]

Great marketing campaign by Tata. They saw an opportunity to embarrass their competition, and took it.

Maruti does itself and its Indian consumers a disservice by producing consistently unsafe cars, while producing better built cars for the export market.

Now, lets hope Tata follows it up with a consistent safety rating for all their cars, along with improved reliability. We Indians are rooting for our home grown brand, but its very hard to plonk our money on your brand, when your cars are so unrefined, unreliable, and the customer service is abysmal. How many threads are there where the customer is asked to write to Ratan Tata or tweet to him in hopes of resolving his issue? Its ridiculous and I've experienced the customer neglect first hand, so fanboys please back off.

Maruti - We hope you improve too. We Indians have rewarded you with a 47% market share and we appreciate the reliability of your cars, but we do not like your unsafe cars. We know you can do better, like the Brezza, so please do improve. You currently are losing out on loyal consumers, who had a great experience with your cars, and can afford better now, but simply cannot identify with a single product in your lineup. I personally want to upgrade from my decade old Swift, but nothing in your lineup feels premium or safe.

If you continue down your current path, you will be left serving only the bottom end of the market. If that's your goal, then continue with your gameplan of making cars lighter, use cheaper quality plastics in the interiors, cheaper fabrics, cheaper roof linings, cheaper lights, tyres, and don't be surprised when that 47% market share starts dropping. Hyundai is fast behind you and won't lose the opportunity to service your old customers, who you ignored.

[Sunderdeep]

Joke actually is on the buyers because end of the day MS Swift is providing mileage, reliability, availability of parts and cheaper maintenance and they are ready to compromise on safety.

On the other hand, they still see Tata as an unreliable brand in terms of engineering and service despite having better safety. However, this notion is changing but at a snail's pace. Tata needs to behave little maturely here, you never know what happens tomorrow if Harrier is tested in GNCAP with that oil filter lying just behind the driver ABC pedals.

[airbus]

While putting emphasis on safety in their marketing campaign is fine but mocking others when some of their cars are not NCAP tested is somewhat hypocritical. Maruti can do better in improving safety and Tata needs to do better in reliability and after sales service, there are no two ways about it. There are people out there who are putting safety as priority.

Maruti and Hyundai Lose Major Market Share To Tata and Mahindra

While these players have been losing market share, the biggest gainer has been Tata Motors. In March 2020, Tata Motors had a market share of just 4.03%, which increased to 9.25% by March 2021. That's a huge year-on-year growth of 5.22% in market share. And that can only be attributed to Tata's new range of cars that have been received very well by the market, particularly the likes of Altroz, Harrier and the new Safari. Tata's increased attention to safety have made them even more popular in the minds of Indian buyers who are continuously growing more aware about improved safety requirements.

[superguy282]

Originally Posted by Karthik Chandra

Invariably every TATA thread gets hijacked on reliability/quality POV. I wonder why there is an uncontrollable urge to point out TATA on quality when the thread is entirely different. Happens in all TATA threads. We have enough threads on quality concerns with all OEMs.

Sadly, this isn't limited to TATA threads, go to a Hyundai thread, see the safety score and brake failure being mentioned 100s of times, go to a VW/Skoda thread and invariably read an ABS Sensor/DSG/Service Center Horror joke, go to a Maruti thread and see their Tin Can reputation preceding them, go to a MG thread and notice the hints of I won't buy anything Chinese sprinkled here and there and so on and so forth. My point being, this is an online forum, we aren't sitting in formals and suits while discussing this and we aren't expected to, which is why such Stereotypes & Generalisations will arise and one must choose for themselves.

[bsdbsd]

Sounds immature and juvenile to go public with this. May be ok during a casual lunch conversation and have a laugh. Thats about it. Hopefully they figure out their QC issues in this decade.

[ArTigor]

Maruti deserves it here, this I say after owning 6 and using 7 Maruti cars in the family, consecutively in the past 2 decades, the chronology being M800, Esteem(Dads office car), Alto 800, Zen Estilo, Ritz, Ertiga and Alto K10 2nd gen(currently with us strictly for dads city usage). Apart from Ritz no other car felt solidly built, believe me in a road rage a person threw a brick on the Ritz bonnet, all it had was a scratch and no dent! Even my 2008 Estilo was of a much better build than the current Alto. Back in the last decade no one really offer solidly built lower price range cars(save Tata) and so did Maruti, but today when Some manufacturers are upping the game in safety Maruti is still stuck with a couple of Decade old mentality for safety, that is where the problem lies. I have personally moved on from being Maruti brand loyalist to a more pragmatic buyer, where VFM, Safety, maintenance and cost of ownership all these factors carry equal weightage.
To those who fret on Tata cars being grounded in workshops for maintenance and stuck up on roads, things are different today your perception hold good for Tata cars prior to 2013, I have a Tigor Diesel and in my last 3.5 and 60K Kms of usage not one day have I been stranded, or my info system has lagged, infact we are 3 people in my office who bought Tata cars at the same time(Tiago Petrol, Tigor Diesel, Nexon Diesel), and all first time Tata customers, all of us have pleasant niggle free ownership experience. So Tata has moved on from being an unreliable manufacturer, yes their Higher end products seems to have niggles, but Maruti is still stuck up for being a Manufacturer of unsafe cars, having a Maruti and a Tata in my garage, I can very well vouch for this. As we look to replace Dads alto for city runs, we are not even considering a Maruti. So apart from these Banters by Tata, now this should be a bigger point of concern for Maruti where customers and loyalist of past 20 years are slowly going to other options because of build quality and looting at MASS(apparently there is very less difference of annual service costs of my K10 and Tigor).
On the other side is tata right in mocking Maruti over the build quality, absolutely yes! Maruti mocked Tata for the Taxi image a decade ago, today Tata has its shiny day, and I am sure tomorrow Maruti too will mock Tata when opportunity arises. Its all a part of competition game.
My comments are not based on any unnecessary bias or fanboyism, why should I? I am neither paid by Tata or Maruti(rather I have paid them for the car and now for service ), every thing is based on real world experience, logic and pragmatism.

[xway]

Maruti also should take dig at Tatas bulletproof reliability and world class sales and service experience which is in equal standing as Marutis NCAP rating.
Tata Motors should remain dignified as other Tata companies. Before ridiculing others ensure that you are clean chit.

There is an old saying on how camel ridicules parrot for having a bent beak but not knowing that camels entire body is curved or bent

[Bhalla]

Meanwhile, Tigor EV scored 4 Stars in Global NCAP. Well done Tata Motors.