[Desi Dybuk]

Originally Posted by vishy76

I am not a Maruti Suzuki fan in any way. I just see things for what they are. Maruti has never been famous for its interior quality or even build.

Having said that, I think it is an agreeable fact that absolute mechanical reliability of Marutis is miles ahead of Tata. I don't hear of fuel tanks falling off, tappet cover leakages, false low engine oil pressure alarms, busted crankshaft oil seals and the likes on brand new Marutis. I am not saying they are bulletproof. There were issues with steering racks on early Swift Dzires and condensers on some Marutis, but I would anyday take below average interior quality and these issues as compared to failures which are as bad as the ones on Tatas. And no, I haven't even mentioned the buggy infotainment systems on the latter.

To sum things up, both manufacturers aren't saints in any way. One doesn't want to build safe cars, and the other simply cannot build niggle free and reliable ones. Both have a lot of contemplating to do on these counts. Maruti Suzuki is not going to improve its safety record because Indians continue to buy them. Frankly speaking, Maruti doesn't have anything to lose at all here. It's Tata who's reputation is on the line. They have some great products and have shown excellent commitment to safety, but basic peace of mind when it comes to mechanicals is lacking.

You aren't wrong on that front. But Maruti absolutely deserves to be shamed here. As for Maruti's mechanicals being better, while it might be true generally, my own personal experience has been anything but horrid. We had a Maruti A Star whose AC compressor because of electrical issues was replaced twice under warranty (1st one was within 2 weeks of purchase). The car burnt up & was totaled due to the short circuit in the AC system after 7-8 years (beyond warranty period). So, I take the Maruti's supposed 'Excellent Mechanical Quality' with a heap of salt.

[Karthik Chandra]

As usual TATA pounces on an opportunity to take a dig at competition. Well done

Latin NCAP > GNCAP

So a 2 star swift scores 0

Can we assume that a 4 star Tiago will score 2?

Well, we can only assume and speculate. What matters is the fact that the Tiago is safer than Swift

OT

Let's discuss on how brilliant or cheesy the meme is and not on quality issues with OEMs.

Invariably every TATA thread gets hijacked on reliability/quality POV.

I wonder why there is an uncontrollable urge to point out TATA on quality when the thread is entirely different. Happens in all TATA threads. We have enough threads on quality concerns with all OEMs.

I like TATA for their focus on safety & IMO TATA cars are as reliable/unreliable as any other car from competition.

[matizcrazy]

It is time that legislation was brought in to prevent cars with zero and one star ratings from plying on the road.
Unlikely to happen though with the leading player having considerable influence in the corridors of power.

[JoshMachine]

And guess what, Maruti hits back at Tata Motors with this:





Also, its a fact that both Swift & WagonR sell atleast 3-4 times that of Tiago.

While its critically important to pass on the customers about the no-compromise message for safety first, but a company like Tata can only do so much with its one-sided focus on safety.
It needs to get its act together with the other holy grail of a successful & memorable car ownership - viz., reliability and after-sales experience.

Coming back to the point - for the betterment of everyone in general, hope the customers at the entry-level of the pyramid do get sensitized to "Safety" and start forcing the dominant market leader to produce a safer car , starting with S-Presso.

[sandeepsc]

This ad will wake up the Maruti from it’s giant sleep. Though swift is fun to drive car but not safe at all. I have driven my friend's Tiago and must admit that Tata have perfected themselves to build some solid rough and tough cars even at entry level section. But I also believe now it’s the time that we should insist for safer cars. Maruti just reacting to market demand where fancy features and “Kitna deti hai” attitude get preference over safety features.

[Kosfactor]

While we are on the Maruti bashing session - A small reminder of what you are up against.

1. Maruti is able to sell whatever they produce.
2. Healthy order backlog.
3. Celerio launch is around the corner.
- and -
4. The fuel prices.

BS6 has made diesel a difficult investment for many OEMs, it has driven everyone into moving to Petrol engines sans a few - but petrol engine that has good fuel economy as well as performance is not easy unless the vehicle is light weight in the first place. Tata has an obesity problem from the beginning, Tiago is not much lighter than a Brezza as a result.

Maruti is going to see strong demand for their vehicles, including the Swift.

[Sidban85]

All good, till say Mahindra XUV700 scored 4 or 5 stars and releases "Don't go for an untested Safari! Go for the XUV700 instead."

[PVS]

Maruti is like.." bash me up tata, no worries
let's see who goes laughing all the way to the bank" To the average Indian, these NCAP tests only matter so much and at the end of the day he or she is most likely to go and purchase a Maruti product due to references from immediate friends and family and the trust factor and ease of service. Yes, there is an increased awareness on safety, but unless Maruti gets a regulatory rap on the knuckles, its unlikely they will ever think on improving the safety of their cars.

[warrioraks]

Originally Posted by Vasanth

Tata roasts at Maruti Swift after their recent Latin NCAP crash test rating

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Originally Posted by JoshMachine

And guess what, Maruti hits back at Tata Motors with this:

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Just love the rivalry. Great attack and fantastic counter-attack.

- Full marks to Tata on hitting Maruti where it hurts.
- Full marks to Maruti on reminding everyone that despite all the safety Hoopla, it is the customer choice and undisputed leader in the market.

Taking a fully objective view, I can just say these are good times. We are spoilt for choices (albeit costly ones) but there is adequate awareness and options available for anyone looking for safer cars.

Maruti and Tata both have their USPs. In the current scheme of consumer preferences, it seems there is space for both of them to co-exist and thrive. I hope the competition and banter continues. With the hope that it would progressively lead to better options in the market.

[ron178]

I don't normally mind Tata's ads because they have every right to brag about their increased crash safety over competition, and I am in fact very proud of them for taking safety seriously. But though the Tiago scored better than the Swift in Global NCAP tests, it's wrong of Tata to say that the Swift is a zero-star car in the same ad where they say the Tiago scores 4. I have no problem with Tata saying that the Tiago's 4 stars are better than the Swift's 2 in the same NCAP and market, but comparing results across markets (LHD vs RHD), and hence across NCAPs (with very different test protocol), is wrong. It's like saying 4kg>1m. Just like the time Bajaj bragged about the Qute that scored 1 star in a 50km/h full-width deformable barrier test being better than a Polo that scored 0 in a 64km/h 40% offset deformable barrier test. David Ward of Global NCAP then wrote a letter to Rajiv Bajaj disputing their statement.

[CEF_Beasts]

Originally Posted by giri1.8

Tata always finds time to mock others, but somehow doesn't have time to send their Harrier/Safari for GNCAP testing. Hypocrisy at its best

The reason for the same has already been told by @Ram87pune. No point sending it to GNCAP and then coming back with a score lesser than even the Tiago!!

[giri1.8]

Originally Posted by CEF_Beasts

The reason for the same has already been told by @Ram87pune. No point sending it to GNCAP and then coming back with a score lesser than even the Tiago!!

They they should stop mocking other and correct themselves first!

What's worse is that, one can see five star safety reference in the below ad, guess who many cars here actually has 5 stars? Just two of the five cars shown, rest are either 4 or unrested. Had Nano had been successful they would have been singing a different song. I am an ex Tigor owner, just saying to avoid any fanboy attacking me for no reason.

https://youtu.be/C0lOINvS2TQ

[RaghuVis]

Originally Posted by JoshMachine

And guess what, Maruti hits back at Tata Motors with this:

Oh my god! so embarrassing! Did MSIL use these two images again to mock TATA? This is what they used last year when TATA made fun of them during pathetic rating for S-Presso. They could not come up with at least a new image or new caption? What are they trying to prove? They won't change ever?

[patwardhan]

Its a shame that India's largest selling car brand is still struggling to produce safe cars? This also shows the lack of awareness people have about car safety ratings and its only recently when TATA has started using it as a marketing campaign & I support it. Few years ago if you were on the road wearing mask, people would think there is something really wrong with your health. But today everyone wears one and also fined by the Govt. if not used at public places. Similarly, this NCAP should be absolutely mandatory. Kudos to TATA

[CarGuy_DM]

Wonder how many stars Harrier & Safari are worth. Since Tata is afraid to even get them crash tested. Hypocrisy.