[GKR9900]

What caught my eye was the PM urging the youth and small entrepreneurs to join the scrappage industry. Forgive my ignorance, I'm not exactly familiar with this field, but isn't this a capital and labour intensive process requiring millions of dollars to start and run? With big automobile players like Tata entering into the field, what can a typical bootstrapped entrepreneur do to take a piece of the pie?

[anjan_c2007]

All the news that was published and publicised on 13/08/2021 is based on the draft notification issued earlier on 15/03/2021 by the Ministry of Road Transport and Highways. This draft notification remains as on date and has not yet been made into a final gazette notification. Hence, the policy is not in black and white as yet and some of the statements made by the VIP's yesterday could turn out hypothetical.

The news from yesterday on this topic is also based on statements by the VIP's present during the Investors Summit inaugural function to launch the automobile scrapping policy at Gandhinagar, Gujarat.

In the backdrop of yesterday's Investors Summit, Tata Motors signed a MOU with the Gujarat government to establish a Registered Vehicle Scrapping Facility in Ahmedabad, Gujarat, that will have the capacity to scrap 36,000 vehicles a year.

Tata and the Gujarat government have entered into a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU), to set up a Registered Vehicle Scrapping Facility (RVSF) in Ahmedabad. The carmaker will set up the scrapping centre in association with a partner.

Capacity to process 36,000 vehicles annually
Will follow guidelines laid down by ARAI and CPCB. The facility will cater to end-of-life passenger and commercial vehicles and will be compliant with the latest scrappage policy of the Ministry of Road Transport and Highways (MoRTH), and vehicle dismantling guidelines of ARAI and Central Pollution Control Board (CPCB). The facility will have the capacity to recycle up to 36,000 vehicles a year.

Details on this link:-

https://www.autocarindia.com/car-new...acility-421741

The best takeaway is that for fit vehicles scrapping is not compulsory. They have to be declared fit at the automated fitness centres that will have all the devices connected to the VAHAN website.

Thanks to all our fellow teambhpians who had represented in huge numbers to the Ministry of Road Transport and Highways against the earlier proposal of 2019/2020 to make scrapping of 15 year plus old vehicles compulsory.

[SoupRaw]

Originally Posted by Aravind_M92

Quite the sad story. I believe we won’t have any current cars as ‘classics’ or ‘vintages’ down the lane. Now that scrap policy Is in effect, nobody will be willing to pay for exorbitant vehicle FC renewals. So 30 years down the lane, people would’ve completely forgotten and wouldn’t possibly see one plying of the cars they’re holding on to now.
Well 30 years down the lane, the future of mobility is also uncertain until a new stable techs come out!

I still believe the classic enthusiasts will go the extra mile and preserve their precious toys. But yes, eventually, the herd will be thinned with these regulations in place.

Originally Posted by GKR9900

What caught my eye was the PM urging the youth and small entrepreneurs to join the scrappage industry. Forgive my ignorance, I'm not exactly familiar with this field, but isn't this a capital and labour intensive process requiring millions of dollars to start and run? With big automobile players like Tata entering into the field, what can a typical bootstrapped entrepreneur do to take a piece of the pie?

Marketing, marketing and marketing. Without infusing politics into this discussion, let me say - this is a big win in their books, just the "urging". This will come up in their achievements list during the upcoming election campaign(s), and people who aren't too educated on this issue, who look at this just from a surface level may see this differently.

After all, as a nation, right from the grassroot levels we are taught not to question the elders/authority, because "they know what's best for you".

[5252rpm]

I didn't understand the whole policy as such.

1. Which emission norm automatic testing machine follows? Which Bharath Stage vehicles are likely to fail? If it is just about road worthiness, what are the standards being set?
If it is not related to some emission norm, then how is it different from current process other than inclusion of an automated testing machine?

2. How the voluntary scrappage benefit works? Can one buy a cheap scrap worthy car (like any abandoned car) and get benefits on any new car (even on S Class) ?

3. How likely that collectible cars less than 50 years of age could be retained ?

4. Why the benefits on scrappage has varying %? Who will decide it on what basis?

5. What about Delhi NCR region's NGT regulations? What happened to proposed green tax?

6. Is there an official draft of the policy available for the same? Couldn't find one online.


Thanks in advance

[anjan_c2007]

The salient features of the scrapping policy shared by Mr Aditya Bose.

This could be a PowerPoint presentation during yesterday's launch of the scrapping policy. It surely lists the salient features of the new policy.

But the gazette notification of the final policy is not yet out. It will have a reference number viz GSR something and a date.

The Transport Ministry must have finalised it. It will require amendments to the existing provisions/rules of the Central Motor Vehicles Rules 1989 at relevant places. Hence, all such changes in laws/rules by all Ministries are to be finally vetted by the Union Law Ministry where the finer legal implications are studied before approval. They ask for changes sometimes for their final vetting.

Only after the final approvals are these sent for publication in the Gazette of India with the date from which it takes effect.

Hence we await the final gazette notification.

The salient features :-

Scrapage policy.pdf

[AnandB]

Originally Posted by anjan_c2007

The salient features of the scrapping policy shared by Mr Aditya Bose.

This could be a PowerPoint presentation during yesterday's launch of the scrapping policy. It surely lists the salient features of the new policy.

But the gazette notification of the final policy is not yet out. It will have a reference number viz GSR something and a date.

The Transport Ministry must have finalised it. It will require amendments to the existing provisions/rules of the Central Motor Vehicles Rules 1989 at relevant places. Hence, all such changes in laws/rules by all Ministries are to be finally vetted by the Union Law Ministry where the finer legal implications are studied before approval. They ask for changes sometimes for their final vetting.

Only after the final approvals are these sent for publication in the Gazette of India with the date from which it takes effect.

Hence we await the final gazette notification.

The salient features :-

Attachment 2192735

Thanks. This clears a lot of things. So you can get a fitness certificate for 15+ year vehicle provided they pass the automated test.

As much as i like them mentioning transparency its hard to believe how applicable it will be and owners (specially CV owners) be at mercy of people who will run these ATS.

[purohitanuj]

Manufacturers should provide option to install brand new engines, which should be further endorsed by government. I will be more than happy to invest 4-5L in a 15-18L car for a brand new engine rather then scrapping and again buying a new car which probably would be costing north of 22L by that time.

[giri1.8]

Originally Posted by purohitanuj

Manufacturers should provide option to install brand new engines, which should be further endorsed by government. I will be more than happy to invest 4-5L in a 15-18L car for a brand new engine rather then scrapping and again buying a new car which probably would be costing north of 22L by that time.

Might be hard to implement this though:
1.The amount of R&D to fix their latest engines on older cars would be HUGE. Might not even be possible in some cases as everything from engine mounts, transmission, exhaust will be different. ECU that support old car's features and new car's engine will be an hurdle too.
2. Number of people will to do such a job will be low too.
3. Will not have the same reliability as factory fitted engine.

If government let's people keep their petrol cars with aftermarket CNG/LPG kits, then it can be a good start. Who know even EV conversation might be a thing in the future.

[COMMUTER]

Originally Posted by purohitanuj

Manufacturers should provide option to install brand new engines, which should be further endorsed by government. I will be more than happy to invest 4-5L in a 15-18L car for a brand new engine rather then scrapping and again buying a new car which probably would be costing north of 22L by that time.

This is a brilliant suggestion. The manufacturers themselves should be regulated to make their vehicles compatible with newer engines and they must make their chassis modular with common format of mounting points(with or without mounting adaptors) to give us a free hand in choosing the most efficient engine and transmission for our rides.

This would be vastly superior in terms of being efficient in curbing emissions at the manufacturing level which is a biggest elephant in the room.

[purohitanuj]

Originally Posted by giri1.8

Might be hard to implement this though:
1.The amount of R&D to fix their latest engines on older cars would be HUGE. Might not even be possible in some cases as everything from engine mounts, transmission, exhaust will be different. ECU that support old car's features and new car's engine will be an hurdle too.
2. Number of people will to do such a job will be low too.
3. Will not have the same reliability as factory fitted engine.

If government let's people keep their petrol cars with aftermarket CNG/LPG kits, then it can be a good start. Who know even EV conversation might be a thing in the future.

I am suggesting the same engine to be kept in stock or supported by the "manufacturer" for 20 years. It is not that hard looking at the parts, engine and transmission sharing these days across models and manufacturers as well. No 3rd party required for this. Consider Engine as Consumable post 10-15 years and replace as regular service.

[KuvamBansal]

In the latest development, NGT has refused to modify the order for not allowing diesel cars older than 10 years to ply in Delhi-NCR

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities...le35908139.ece

[samaspire]

The official Scrapage Policy document.











Scrapage policy.pdf

[SNA411]

Hey everyone, I have a car I want to scrap. So I have three questions.

1) The car is DL registered, sitting in Punjab. So can I scrap it here in Punjab? (If yes, then please answer question 2, else skip to question 3)

2) When will the scrappage policy start in Punjab?

3) Whether the benefits that I get will be valid only for the state in which I scrap, or it will be nationwide? Eg, If I somehow truck the car to Delhi, will the new car also have to be bought from Delhi with a DL number?

[AJ56]

Originally Posted by KuvamBansal

In the latest development, NGT has refused to modify the order for not allowing diesel cars older than 10 years to ply in Delhi-NCR

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities...le35908139.ece

No mention of petrol cars but I assume the 15 year ban stands..

[adrian]

I have a 30+ year old Ambassador which has fitness up to 2025. I don't think I will be able to renew the registration paying 40k and neither do I intend to send it to the scrap yard.

So what are my options before me ?

Can I just pry off the number plate and garage it or is there a legal procedure for the same ? Asking because there is a hear say that the vehicle has to be compulsorily scrapped if the registration is cancelled.