[Gupts007]

Originally Posted by Manualpurist

While I don't mind parts sharing, talking specifically about that interior, the steering wheel does look out of place in a car which is pitched as an SUV. (Because it's been lifted off from a hatchback)

That's why MS has never been able to crack the true premium segment because of parts sharing. Imagine getting inside of your 16 lacs+ car and finding 90% of parts being shared from a B segment hatchback.

Exactly - a mass market car manufacturer like Maruti cannot understand the need and importance of offering something premium in a car they are purportedly selling as a premium car. Their mentality is that of cost cutting and saving and skimping on things that probably matter. In the Baleno, they have worked hard offering some wow features like the HUD and the 3D camera but the power window buttons and the headlights, wiper switch assembly, the trip meter push knobs, the key fob, the door opening handles, the steering wheel and controls on it (which has like 5 dummy buttons on the Alpha model ) - everything has been taken off the Swift.

To accommodate the lifting of parts they took out the wiper delay settings mechanism from the Baleno. I mean come on - that is such a vital feature particularly in the top model - but they think it is going to go unnoticed. Let's just use what we have been using on 5 different models for over 10 years.

Some elements are ok to use across but they should not like copy paste things like the infotainment/steering wheel / instrument cluster - across the board from 8 lacs to 14 lacs - across swift baleno brezza.

[cr4nkshaft]

Originally Posted by Gupts007

a mass market car manufacturer like Maruti cannot understand the need and importance of offering something premium in a car they are purportedly selling as a premium car

There you have it! MSIL wants the image of premiumness, but not true premiumness because that is not the market segment they are after. They had a crack at it once or twice - didn't work out as the numbers were not at a level MSIL expects the demand to be - and now they are back to what they do best.

I think we should judge cars as they are targetted. Kia/Hyundai - they are gizmo-heavy with lots of combinations of engine and gearbox. Maruti is a bread-and-butter manufacturer who just want to keep doing what they do right, just two engines, one fuel option, and three gearbox types which very recently was just 2.

It is up to the consumer to speak with their wallets, who they will choose - and the numbers speak for themselves.

[jessie007]

Whoa! The slab sided back makes it look like an MPV. In this cut-throat sub 4m SUV segment, one needs to nail the design atleast. Plus lack of diesel engine and not a very modern automatic, will really cost sales. It might still lead the segment, but by a smaller margin.

Maruti is overall steadily losing market share, since the past few months. If not diesel, they need to atleast jump onto the EV bandwagon, like Tata did with Nexon.

Refurbished Venue looks better than before, plus the Nexon and Sonet are doing quite well, with the number of variants they offer. So game on!

[Rocketscience]

While I was initially underwhelmed with the lack of engine options and the lone not that exciting engine, but the looks and interiors look like a major step up from the previous one, to the point that we are seriously considering stretching our budget a bit to aim at lowest variant of Brezza as my wife's next car, she doesn't give a damm about power and performance and otherwise the refinement, drivability and mileage seems to be good.
If the lowest variant like the one in the current one comes with the basics like remote central locking, all 4 power windows, audio system and comes around 9 lakhs on road, we might just buy this over the other options.
(Baleno, i20, Amaze and even Venue since this engine is anyday superior to 1.2 kappa in a relatively heavy car like Venue)
It will be a difficult choice for us as mostly all options are brilliant for her needs, god bless competition and choices.

PS Everyone should ignore the recent exterior shots as they are clearly skewed like the ones in XUV700 and they are warping the shape in a weird way (which is not easily fixed in editing), one explanation is the ultra wide lens in phone cameras which distorts the image but this looks to be some sort of mischief, both this and XUV had the same issue, why would someone do this?

I tried fixing it
Bottom Is Before
Top is after

[jessie007]

Originally Posted by Mumbaiker

that image reminds me of
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source: https://gomechanic.in/blog/if-jeep-d...-presso-rival/

Actually, the rear looks to me like a Renault Multipla. I might be exaggerating a bit, but that's the first thought that came to mind. Mind you, some cars look better in real than in photographs, from certain angles.

[romeomidhun]

Originally Posted by jessie007

The slab sided back makes it look like an MPV.

It is not slab-sided. Scoop pics show it has a slanted rear.

Originally Posted by jessie007

lack of diesel engine and not a very modern automatic, will really cost sales.

Again, wrong. Current Brezza was selling around 12K units with just a Petrol engine and an AMT. And we know what these BS-VI diesels from some manufacturers are causing nowadays.

Originally Posted by jessie007

Refurbished Venue looks better than before

Venue had a decent-looking rear, but with the face lift, they ruined it again by adding end-to-end lights.

[DeepakS]

Originally Posted by Ananthang

Looks like a lot of part sharing with New Wagon R. Why do they have to think too much about part sharing when they are selling 10000 units per model.

It's not just about economies of scale. It's more about simplicity of design, management of inventory and less investment, time and expertise in R&D.
A Maruti service centre in a small town that stocks 20 pieces of door handles which fit on Alto, WagonR, A-star, Celerio, Swift, and a couple of more models is any day more beneficial for the company as well as the customer than keeping 4-5 pieces of door handles for each of those cars if they were different. That's one major reason i could think of. This again, applies the same for the spare parts dealers and local FnG's.

[kpkeerthi]

Hold your horses! The camera angle and the highly distorted image makes it look uglier than it actually is

[shubham7799]

Originally Posted by SoumenD

6 speed TC was there in Ecosport since 2017 IIRC. So not really segment first but much welcome.

I just hope they haven’t gone to heart-attack platform (heartect), thereby jeopardising the previous 4* rating.

My bad.

With Ford out of the Indian markets, probably the better description could have been segment unique.

[jessie007]

Originally Posted by romeomidhun

It is not slab-sided. Scoop pics show it has a slanted rear.

Again, wrong. Current Brezza was selling around 12K units with just a Petrol engine and an AMT. And we know what these BS-VI diesels from some manufacturers are causing nowadays.

I used to do sales analysis of monthly car sales stats on Team BHP earlier. Your figure of "around 12k" for Brezza sales, again piqued my interest and here are the stats for sub-4m SUV sales, which show a clearer picture. Most manufacturers have faced supply issues effecting sales, so that sort of evens out the playing field.

As you can see from the table, the average monthly sales for Brezza for the past six months are around the 10,500 mark, not 12,000. Tata Nexon sells more (avg 13562; mkt share ~30%), and if we take into account the combined sales of the Hyundai group (HMIL+Kia) avg 15779; mkt share ~36%), Brezza stands third in sales and market share (avg 10480; mkt share 23.5%). Even if you take standalone sales figures for Venue (avg 9644; mkt share ~22%), they are not too far off from that of the Brezza, market share more so.

Agreed that the standalone sales figures for Brezza are commendable from just one engine and two gearboxes. But what I meant to say earlier was that the competition is very tough in the sub 4m SUV segment and it is not going to get any easier for Maruti, even with a refresh and more features. Lack of a turbo petrol, EV variant, diesel engine, and a DCT automatic are still going to hurt sales. Even though the Hyundai group doesn't have an EV (like Tata's Nexon) they have many options to spoil a customer - NA Petrol, Turbo Petrol, Diesel - plus a combination of gearboxes from manual and iMT to DCT.

[romeomidhun]

Originally Posted by jessie007

As you can see from the table, the average monthly sales for Brezza for the past six months are around the 10,500 mark, not 12,000.

1. 10.5K vs 12K is not such a difference to argue upon.
2. If Brezza can sell this much with 5 years old design, a spartan interior and an AMT, the sales figures can only go up with an updated design, modern interiors and snazzy gimmicky features. And its design is not a let-down like i20 to cause serious sales loss. The only negative factor that could affect is its expected price increase.
3. Note that Hyundai/KIA could manage only 15K with all its "NA Petrol, Turbo Petrol, Diesel, manual iMT to DCT" combinations.

[bimmer1988]

Originally Posted by romeomidhun

Again, wrong. Current Brezza was selling around 12K units with just a Petrol engine and an AMT. And we know what these BS-VI diesels from some manufacturers are causing nowadays.

Originally Posted by romeomidhun

2. If Brezza can sell this much with 5 years old design, a spartan interior and an AMT, the sales figures can only go up with an updated design, modern interiors and snazzy gimmicky features. And its design is not a let-down like i20 to cause serious sales loss. The only negative factor that could affect is its expected price increase.

Guys, Brezza never had an AMT, it was a 4 speed TC unit, which might not be the most advanced but was still a very smooth transmission.

[cr4nkshaft]

Why are we getting in mini flame wars in this thread over door handles and 1.5k gap in sales numbers

To try to get back on course, can see quite a lot of blank switches in the hud/360 switch units. If these are shared parts indeed, what are those switches for and what car in MSIL stable has those?

Also, wondering if the HUD will be updated later to show driving direction prompts, because the current choice of metrics are not really useful on HUD.

[db_cooper]

This image makes it look like its not having an HUD. But Steering\cruise controls, push start is visible, however, the Arm rest is missing.
So I believe, it might be from a VXI or ZXI model.

The images showing the Auto Gear lever and Sunroof might be coming from the Top most model ZXI+ AT.

Hoping, VXI and ZXI models are not missing too many basic features.

[Guna]

Originally Posted by bimmer1988

Guys, Brezza never had an AMT, it was a 4 speed TC unit, which might not be the most advanced but was still a very smooth transmission.

Brezza diesel came with AMT which was stopped in the BS6 era.