[Sarinkrc]

Honda should consider bringing a new SUV to compete with the likes of Creta & Seltos. The WRV isn't going to bring the big sales like the Creta/ Seltos . The HRV is expected to be priced over 15-20 lakhs if i am not wrong. Honda has only hope piined on its City Sedan while the market taste has shifted more to the likes of SUV. IMHO if Honda is bringing the HRV to India pricing should be around the likes of Creta or Seltos otherwise chances of HRV succeeding looks slim.

[gupta_chd]

Originally Posted by Voodooblaster

https://auto.economictimes.indiatime...india/74710497

As per this article sub 4 metre 1.2l petrol cars have 29% gst and sub 4m 1.5l petrol cars have 43%gst




Insurance rates are same for cars in 1000 cc to 1500cc

I don't think there will be a serious cost difference between a 1200cc engine nd 1500cc engine at least at the manufacturer level.

Let's do some math.

- I understand road tax is 29% tax, not 12%. So, 14% tax difference (43-29) should make a car priced at 10 lakhs dearer by about 1.1 lakh.
- Insurance impact may be around 5K, so it is minimal.
- Road tax would increase by around 15K even if slab changes not taken into account.

So 1.3 lakh is without adding any additional cost from manufacturer. Now, Honda if increases the price by minimal 50K (Don't expect less than that, do you really) and corresponding small ripple effect on earlier three items, price will be in tune of 2 lakhs higher in best possible scenario. I may never look at WRV at that price, speaking from my perspective

[Voodooblaster]

Originally Posted by gupta_chd

Let's do some math.

- I understand road tax is 29% tax, not 12%. So, 14% tax difference (43-29) should make a car priced at 10 lakhs dearer by about 1.1 lakh.
- Insurance impact may be around 5K, so it is minimal.
- Road tax would increase by around 15K even if slab changes not taken into account.

Ford(Ecosport) and Maruti(Brezza, Ertiga, S-Cross) have 1.5 litre engines. Of these S-Cross and Ertiga are more than 4 metre and still are priced way lower than WR-V

IMHO Honda is trying to milk the Premium Brand Image, for more than its worth

Originally Posted by gupta_chd

So 1.3 lakh is without adding any additional cost from manufacturer. Now, Honda if increases the price by minimal 50K (Don't expect less than that, do you really) and corresponding small ripple effect on earlier three items, price will be in tune of 2 lakhs higher in best possible scenario. I may never look at WRV at that price, speaking from my perspective

True. For that price point Creta, Seltos come into picture.

Price WR-V realistically Honda, if you are reading this

Since TATA is looking for a partner in Passenger car Segment as per rumour mills, Honda better join Tata. Tata designs and prices the products. Honda takes care of ASS , engine, fit and finish

[itwasntme]

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/honda/hr-v

Honda HR-V review by Autoexpress UK.

[volkman10]

Honda begins testing the next Generation HR-V in Japan. Expected launch in 2021.

the next HR-V would look a lot sharper and aggressive than the current one.

Link

[Mad Max]

Honda - the Internet Explorer of automobiles.

[Nithesh_M]

Too low but probably longer than the Seltos. They shouldn't bring this but rather localise the Breeze sold in China

[volkman10]

Honda HR-V to get a new styling.

clearly larger than the current Vezel with a total length of 4,330 mm, a total width of 1,770 mm, and a total height of 1,605 mm, and since it is parked at the very limit of the frame, it is speculated that its size is similar to that of the new Toyota RAV4.

The body size of the new RAV4 is 4,600 mm in length x 1,855 mm in width x 1,685 mm in height, so it is a size that is quite unreasonable to call it a compact SUV

is a wide feeling that can be mistaken for a middle size SUV to a full size SUV, and above all, the front headlight The design is completely different.

it looks like a new Insight, and the LED daytime running light is installed at the top to create an aggressive look.

the front grill adopts a hexagonal honeycomb grill, which is the same grill shape as the big minor change version / new Odyssey (New Odyssey) and the full model change version / new N-ONE

it is unlikely that the engine displacement will be increased, so the displacement 1.5L in-line 4-cylinder as before It is expected that an e: HEV system that combines an engine and an electric motor and a turbo model will be lined up.

Link

[MrEnthusiast]

Hope they atleast consider this generation for India. Better late than never.

[sunnsood]

For someone like me who has zero confidence in Kia and Hyundai, I wish we see more from japanese/ European car makers. Not sure why Honda is taking a lifetime to make this happen. It's a no brainer from the get go.

[ST172]

In other news, Honda is still considering the 2017 HR-V for India

But I do hope Honda feels motivated by the success of the 2020 City to introduce newer models in our market.

[jasjotbains]

Originally Posted by ST172

In other news, Honda is still considering the 2017 HR-V for India

A time traveler from 2050 told me that MDH Masala uncle and Queen Elizabeth were still alive and that Honda was considering getting a new model in India.

Honda seems to be heavily influenced by the thinkers of times immemorial. It keeps on thinking and thinking while new entrants like Kia are laughing and hopping their way to the bank. It seems when it comes to putting thoughts into actions, Honda just piggybacks on the City and calls it a day/month/year/decade. With the lure of sedans going down in favour of CSuvs, maybe Honda should stop thinking and start acting. Honda isn't a Maruti which can get anemic engines and yet sell. They need the turbo petrols to compete with the likes of Hyundai, Kia, Tata and M&M.

[CarguyNish]

Honda has very good products across segments, but they don't seem to offer what market demands. They are neither after volumes nor are they accepting their mistake.

They once had portfolio which were segment leaders (City/Civic/Accord/CR-V). That downfall started when they launched Jazz in June 2009. Excellent car at completely wrong price bracket. 2 lessons it thought the company were,

1. Overpricing won't work especially in competitive segments.

2. Once flop, nothing can bring it up.

These 2 lessons were not learnt by Honda, they repeated the same mistake with Mobilio.

What Honda should have done, or can do it even now is offer choice to customers. Let the customer decide what he wants. They seem to be failing in this aspect and it reflects in their dismal sales numbers.

They should have given Diesel Automatic in City despite the market shifting to Petrol. They failed to do it. Now, from October Kia will teach them lesson as the Sonet Diesel AT is in high demand. Anyone looking for it, please book it now itself.

Next up, WR-V. If not for the lack of Automatic Option and few cost cutting, this would easily be my choice in that Segment. Looks aside, it has good interiors, big boot and best in class cabin space, good dynamics, is well built and is niggle free. While the Petrol is severely underpowered, the noisy Diesel is the better choice. If Honda gives option of 1.5 Petrol with MT & CVT Option, it'll fly off the showrooms. Honda doesn't want that to happen.

Jazz is poorly equipped compared to segment, but does everything right what the Urban user desires. But is priced at premium.

Civic has looks, dynamics, space, features etc. But wrong choice of engines & gearboxes. It should have had Petrol Manual and Diesel Automatic. It's sales figures are highest only because of discounts in lakhs and the fact that Octavia is only available in vRS trim.

CR-V is something which will appeal to someone who doesn't want Endeavour or Fortuner, but there too, they messed up the pricing. Diesel was offered in lower tune, poor sales prompted the company to discontinue the Diesel.

Most Mistakes have been made by the company itself. They just don't seem to be agreeing with this fact. If they repeat the same with their upcoming Hybrid and SUVs, Honda will vanish from Indian Market by 2025.

They need to make sure that this New HR-V is also engineered for markets like India. This new HR-V will be more expensive than Seltos/Creta, but will position alongside Civic. Unless they have something unique to offer for the premium, this has FAIL written all over it.

Come 2022, we'll get to know the reality.

[Allterrain]

Honda has lost the brand equity long back. The sad part is they don't seem to know this.
They cannot command premium on their products any more. If they don't get realistic about their pricing they will be history soon.

[GKR9900]

I'm sorry that this is off topic, but every time I read about Honda considering the HR-V for India this is what comes to my mind