[Reinhard]

I think slowly people will stop asking why subcompact SUVs are a hit & why the C & D segment sedans are dying / have died. The car makers don't really want to sell these sedans!

[drhoneycake]

Originally Posted by CrossLife

Is this because the 2.0L diesel is not BS6 ready? I think they will launch 2.0L variant once it is BS6 compliant .

The 2.0L Diesel (R series Hyundai engine) is BS6 ready and is coming in the upcoming Tucson facelift.

Don’t think this engine will ever come in the Elantra. Nowhere in the world is the Elantra available with the 2.0L diesel. In Markets that do have the Elantra diesel, it comes with the older 1.6L diesel.

[turbowhistle]

Is Hyundai planning to launch it as BS6 Verna?

Even the old verna had better numbers, either Hyundai has lost the plot in D segment or they don't want us to continue buying diesels anymore!

Though it was no match for Octavia or Jetta, I loved the previous gen Elantra as it was loaded to the brim and powerful enough to command to 20 lakh price tag, but this version seems like a joke.

People owning old gen Elantra - Hold on to it, the resale value just went up!

[Nazaar25]

Approximately 14 years back, the same manufacturer used to offer a 1.5L 110hp diesel in a hatchback (Getz) and now they are offering a similar capacity engine which produces 112hp in a sedan which is twice or thrice as big!
Why wouldn't people go for SUVs as the similarly priced Harrier or a Hector offer way more power and features.

[vshankarhere]

Hmmm, but didn't the earlier generation Elantra too had shared its 1.6L diesel with Verna right along with same power specifications? Why hue and cry now?

[pkulkarni.2106]

Originally Posted by vshankarhere

Hmmm, but didn't the earlier generation Elantra too had shared its 1.6L diesel with Verna right along with same power specifications? Why hue and cry now?

I believe nobody was impressed even back then?
But even then the older 1.6 engine was slightly powerful than the current 1.5L.

Now the new Elantra must be costing a couple more lakhs than the older one and then you offer it with a weaker engine, nobody's going to appreciate it

[vshankarhere]

Originally Posted by pkulkarni.2106

But even then the older 1.6 engine was slightly powerful than the current 1.5L.

Yes, Hyundai could have may be bumped up the power with a bigger turbo or something, but considering that Elantra never used to set the charts on fire, they would have decided to go with a more universal setup. Expecting 2.0 L diesel in Elantra is greed and that would have definitely shot up its pricing to Tucson territory.

So is Elantra now the only D segment sedan with a diesel option? Civic BS6 diesel is yet to be launched?

[motorworks]

I think Hyundai is being very cautious here. This Elantra is just a facelift, they know that the numbers would not be anyway high, so just use the existing engine that anyway powers the Creta and the Seltos for now.

The all new Elantra has just been unveiled and I think it may come to India by end of 2021, so thats when Hyundai might try to get a BS6 2.0 Diesel engine or may be even 2 petrol engine options. And by then if the market is moving away from diesels, especially in the D segment sedans, then there would be no diesel option on the next Gen Elantra.

[rkv_2401]

Originally Posted by vshankarhere

Hmmm, but didn't the earlier generation Elantra too had shared its 1.6L diesel with Verna right along with same power specifications? Why hue and cry now?

That was an ~130hp diesel engine. Still not powerful enough, but at least it could have been considered as an option for the non-enthusiast.

For comparison, my 2004 Elantra CRDi makes 112bhp and 245Nm of torque - virtually identical to this 2020 one.

[VJ05]

Why is that everyone is ditching 2.0 Diesels in Sedans? Right from VW group to Hyundai. If the car manufacturers can sell 2L Diesel in SUV's than why not in Sedans. I think it's more to do with shrinking sales of D segment sedan however with this approach, this segment will almost be dead.

[Durango Dude]

Originally Posted by rkv_2401

For comparison, my 2004 Elantra CRDi makes 112bhp and 245Nm of torque - virtually identical to this 2020 one.

Not so long ago people were buying a "thing" called a Diesel Toyota Corolla with 90 bhp and 200NM. Be happy they didn't put in the 1.4 CRDI from the i20 and Venue.

[landcruiser123]

They might as well not have launched the Elantra diesel. It doesn't make sense for Hyundai to make a large diesel for India as the whole world seems to be moving away from diesel engines.

Originally Posted by GTO

What the heck is happening to the D-segment sedan?

The sedan has lost its 'executive' status for the chauffeur driven. I'd prefer being driven in the Innova Crysta, which was not the case with the older Innova. People who don't want to stretch for the Crysta will buy an SUV (Creta, Seltos, Hexa, XUV) suiting their budget.

[twin_turbo]

Originally Posted by GTO

A 1.5L engine in a sedan costing well over 20 lakh rupees

What the heck is happening to the D-segment sedan? First the under-powered Corolla 1.4D, then the under-powered Civic, recently VW / Skoda discontinued the 2.0 diesel and now this blasphemy!

Corolla, Civic, Elantra are all entry level sedans in the USA. Honda and Toyota sold more than 3lakh units of civic and corolla each, and Hyundai sold 1.75 lakh units of Elantra in 2019 alone. I would go as far as to say that these manufacturers only considered US (and other major markets) while designing these cars. They all start at around 17k$ which is considered 'cheap' per the US standards. To compete in this segment, a 1.5~1.8L engine putting out around 150bhp and less than 200Nm of torque is good enough! Can they have a more powerful engine at this price? Absolutely. But why would they if people are not expecting it at this price in countries where they sell these cars in large numbers. All the cars at this price point in the US has pretty much similar specs. Ford Focus, Chrysler 200, Chevy Cruze (not sold anymore), Honda civic, Toyota Corolla, Hyundai Elantra, Mazda 3 and some other Sub compact UV's like CHR, HRV, Ecosport, CX3, Chevy Trax etc.

Time and again we see that the only way to sell anything in India is to make sure they are value for money products tailored for India. Some manufacturers with good upfront planning and research have found success too, Kia Seltos being the latest example.

[SaiSW]

Hyundai is the sort of company whom you'd expect to put strong engines when it comes to diesels, and here they did an Altis diesel with the 1.5.

Honestly, I would really like to know what the product planning dept is smoking when they thought this could match the superior diesels offered in the segment like the 2.0 TDI.

[ph03n!x]

Hyundai just went back 15 years and launched the Elantra with almost the same power and torque as the one they sold here from my 2004 - albeit with a 1.5L mill instead of the 2.0L Detroit Diesel.

But then, this is definitely expected - the 5th Gen Elantra shared it's Diesel mill and manual transmission with the Verna, and the 1.6L at 126BHP and 265NM torque. This engine was the stalwart in the C2 segment - linear power delivery, efficiency, awesome NVH and never felt out of power even in the 6th gear. But then, the same engine in an Elantra - that has Jetta and Octavia as peers - was just an also-ran.

With Hyundai down-sizing their 1.6L U2 to 1.5L (thanks to crazy tax norms), they should have ideally also made the 2.0L R-Line, or at least the 1.7L U2 in the Elantra.

Hyundai made its mark in India as a Diesel stalwart with the marvelous, madness of an engine with110BHP and 240NM torque in the Getz and Verna (pre-2011). The cars weren't handlers, but rockets they were - just takes off in a straight line like their behind is on fire! The 1.6L U2 was a good successor too, undoubtedly... BUT A D-SEGMENT CAR NEEDS 150+ BHP! And Hyundai not doing that is just

That also goes to underline the uncertainty around Diesels - Maruti, Audi (no Diesels) and now Hyundai (make do with what they already have for local manufacturing, not investing in homologation of engines available elsewhere - heck, this is global trend for the Elantra)! And the trend of hatch-backs on stilts eating into D Segment too.