[RaceHorse]

Originally Posted by JediKnight

Where would you put Alcazar in your list ?

I put Alcazar last in this list.

Originally Posted by aks_karthik

I regard your opinion. but I have used to Ertiga extensively and no where the 3rd row comfort is comparable to Safari.
Ertiga is cramped and only for kids aged lesser than 10-12.

I used the Ertiga 2019 for 2 long drives, and unfortunately I was made to sit in the last row,
I am of 5ft 5" height and I was reasonably comfortable with middle bench slightly moved ahead.

But I felt in Safari I was sitting in knees up position and had a feeling it will not be comfortable for long drives.
But to be truthful my drive lasted just 30 minutes.

[PYSO]

Originally Posted by RaceHorse

I used the Ertiga 2019 for 2 long drives, and unfortunately I was made to sit in the last row,
I am of 5ft 5" height and I was reasonably comfortable with middle bench slightly moved ahead.

There are 5 specific things that make XL6 / Ertiga have probably the best 3rd row seats

1) It's a monocoque and thus has much lower body roll (body roll is very pronounced in Body on frame vehicles like Innova, marazzo etc)

2) The 3rd row seats have recline function and can be reclined to a comfortable angle (this is missing in Marazzo for example)

3) The 3rd row is setup as balcony seating, which means that the 3rd row passenger is sitting higher than first row and second row passenger. The 3rd row passenger gets much better visibility and also sits higher up (unlike the knees pointing to the sky seating position in most other 6/7 seaters)

4) Even though the Ertiga/Xl6 is not as long as Innova Crysta, the cabin of ertiga/Xl6 is as long as Innova Crysta (the extra length of Crysta is in the longer hood and longer boot). This ensures better leg room than most other 6/7 seaters

5) Ertiga/XL6 seem to have more range in how far the 1st and 2nd row seats can be pushed forwards / backwards. This opens up more flexibility to adjust the seating to give more comfort to passengers in all the 3 rows.

Would suggest everyone to try traveling in the 3rd row of XL6 once before buying other 6/7 seaters. At least you will know what you are going to miss

[tsr_83]

Originally Posted by PYSO

There are 5 specific things that make XL6 / Ertiga have probably the best 3rd row seats

1) It's a monocoque and thus has much lower body roll (body roll is very pronounced in Body on frame vehicles like Innova, marazzo etc)

2) The 3rd row seats have recline function and can be reclined to a comfortable angle (this is missing in Marazzo for example)

3) The 3rd row is setup as balcony seating, which means that the 3rd row passenger is sitting higher than first row and second row passenger. The 3rd row passenger gets much better visibility and also sits higher up (unlike the knees pointing to the sky seating position in most other 6/7 seaters)

4) Even though the Ertiga/Xl6 is not as long as Innova Crysta, the cabin of ertiga/Xl6 is as long as Innova Crysta (the extra length of Crysta is in the longer hood and longer boot). This ensures better leg room than most other 6/7 seaters

5) Ertiga/XL6 seem to have more range in how far the 1st and 2nd row seats can be pushed forwards / backwards. This opens up more flexibility to adjust the seating to give more comfort to passengers in all the 3 rows.

Would suggest everyone to try traveling in the 3rd row of XL6 once before buying other 6/7 seaters. At least you will know what you are going to miss

I am seriously thinking of putting too much price on a depreciating asset in mixed bag of reviews and start thinking of Ertiga. Is there any nearby facelift launch being planned?

[ABHI_1512]

While taking delivery of a Hyundai Creta with a friend today, came across the Signature edition of Alcazar and which sported the 2.0 badge. Seemed plush with dark red interiors. This practise of updating an already established car like Creta and making it sell worthy adding two extra seats with little tweaks to the interiors and more powerful petrol engines, is indeed commendable from Hyundai. Adding some pictures :

[abhijet.sen]

Originally Posted by RaceHorse

After checking all 7 seater vehicles in the market, I rank them like below based on the third row comfort.

Xylo > Marazzo > Innova > Ertiga > Triber > Safari

What is your criteria for this ranking? In terms of space, it cannot be less than Ertiga or Triber? Even engine is one of the best in Safari. Xylo, Innova, Eritga has lesser creature comforts than Safari. Safari is best looking in all the cars mentioned though it is subjective. Unless it is explained, it seems biased.

[RaceHorse]

Originally Posted by abhijet.sen

What is your criteria for this ranking?

I have clearly mentioned the criteria is solely based on Third row comfort.

Third row of Alcazar is not comfortable for adults at all.

[car_guy1998]

Had a look at the Alcazar for the second time, but this time, it was a 6-seater one!

Even though the middle row is comfortable due to the captain seats, but still the third row is a disaster!

And, after sitting in the third row, now I've removed the Alcazar from the list!

And, overall I can say that the Alcazar is best called an extended Creta with 4 seater rather than calling it a 6-7 seater car!

Instead, I'll save that 3L and get its cheaper sibling, i.e, the Creta, which has better rear-seat comfort than the Alcazar and I'll be getting the similar features of Alcazar in the Creta as well! The Creta is best for the people, who don't require a 7-seater and at the same time, who want better rear-seat comfort as well!

Or, if a 7-seater car is a necessity, will extend a bit and get an Innova Crysta for its bulletproof reliability along with third-row comfort or Safari for its looks, performance and has better comfort as well!

[rony.mandal]

Alcazar sure looks premium inside! Panaromic sunroof from the base model will push public interest through the roof!

Not sure if anyone has already pointed this on the thread: But from the images on Safety: noticed the the 6 airbags do not cover the last row seats (like the Tata Safari). May have been difficult to engineer as the Creta is a global model and stretching it may have posed challenges in incorporating additional (or bigger airbags) which cover the last row.

While all the bling and leather and long list of features are very very welcome to the Junta & enthusiasts alike, I ask myself, what are we paying the premium for? The last row seats? The occupants will not only be left wanting for space but also less protected than the "chosen" ones who occupy the first 2 rows.

Not cribbing but it would have been a good move to cover the entire window line with an Airbag (Like the Innova does!), especially since majority of the informed people are not very confident of the Alcazar/Creta/Seltos platform's
safety aspects (for the India version). With added length and 80 kgs on the alcazar - I have my reservations on how the chassis will handle any additional loading in a crash (or in the elusive GNACAP test).

My 2 cents

[Aviator_guy]

Originally Posted by car_guy1998

Instead, I'll save that 3L and get its cheaper sibling, i.e, the Creta, which has better rear-seat comfort than the Alcazar and I'll be getting the similar features of Alcazar in the Creta as well! The Creta is best for the people, who don't require a 7-seater and at the same time, who want better rear-seat comfort as well!

Ditto.. I am continuing with my Creta booking for the same reason and savings would be used for long drives

[viscosity]

Originally Posted by Aviator_guy

Ditto.. I am continuing with my Creta booking for the same reason and savings would be used for long drives

I assume we are talking about Diesel versions of Creta vs Alczar.
For someone who is looking for petrol, any thoughts on how much performance difference we can expect between these two cars because of this 2L petrol engine ?

[Aviator_guy]

Originally Posted by viscosity

I assume we are talking about Diesel versions of Creta vs Alczar.

Actually petrol IVT as it makes more sense for my running pattern. There is significant difference in the OTR price between the Creta and Alcazar petrol AT in Bangalore and I am realising that the so called upgrade doesn't cut it for me

[romil.shroff]

Could anyone inform me the boot capacity with the 3rd row folded? With the 3rd row up, I think it's 180 liters but couldn't these specs aren't mentioned on the official company website.

[Aniket03]

I am facing the quintessential problem of upgrading from a previous generation Innova.
I had gone to check out the Alcazar in it's Diesel + Manual variant but ended up driving a 6 seater, Diesel, Signature AT.

It is a pretty looking vehicle with all bells and whistles much like most Hyundai's of today. Despite having a 1.5L diesel engine, it drives ok. I don't think it will be a cause of concern with 4 passengers for intra city commutes.

The last row of seats is unusable except for very small kids or for keeping luggage. Even the middle row has limited amount of space. With the front passenger seat pushed back, there is a limitation of space in the middle row. Thus, a chauffeur driven Alcazar will be an ill fit.

In simple words, this car is in my eyes, a competitor for Maruti Ertiga, XL6, Marrazo etc. Even though it is priced similar to XUV 500, Hector, Innova etc, it is nowhere in these cars' league, except in terms of equipment on offer.

At it's price point, at least in my case, buying a MT 7 Seater GX Crysta makes more sense. I have a tendency to extract the most out of cars at this price point and thus in the long run, 2 lakh rupees price difference does not make a difference.

[octane_100]

The initial feedback on the lack of adequate space in the 2nd row is a deal breaker. All those talk of additional wheel base and the bells and whistles mean very little to me now

[fhdowntheline]

Originally Posted by octane_100

The initial feedback on the lack of adequate space in the 2nd row is a deal breaker. All those talk of additional wheel base and the bells and whistles mean very little to me now

On the Creta itself the legroom in the second row is "adequate" and not plush.So I think the expectations need to be tempered accordingly. The overall length of the car has been extended by less than 200mm. Contrary to other "van" like designs like say the Marazzo or Ertiga, the engine section takes up a fair portion of the length.