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9th March 2020, 21:59 | #106 |
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| Re: The BS6 Ford Endeavour with new 2.0L diesel engine, now launched at 29.55 lakhs Maybe I'm missing something here but aren't we going a little overboard with regards to acceleration and 0-100 sprints, et al? Come on guys, we are talking about an SUV/truck here and not a performance sedan or sports car, right? Aren't these trucks all about relaxed cruising for days on end or taming that broken track to the yonder as opposed to scorching the tarmac? Last edited by cool_dube : 9th March 2020 at 22:02. |
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10th March 2020, 01:03 | #107 | |
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| Re: The BS6 Ford Endeavour with new 2.0L diesel engine, now launched at 29.55 lakhs Quote:
1. what would be the consumption of Ad blue for every let's say 100 kms? 2.What's its tank capacity and would it last long enough for the top up to be done at the scheduled service interval ? 3.What's the per litre cost of Ad blue? Shouldn't we factor in this too while figuring out the basic running cost of the car. 4.Would the car fail to start if one fails to top it up once it goes empty or near empty.Since it's injected into the exhaust system and not into engine guess it wouldn't. Am thinking from the point of view of the need to keep Ad blue handy during very long trips as it may not be available for retail purchase thank you | |
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10th March 2020, 01:15 | #108 | |
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2. Tank could be 15 litres or more 3. No idea as yet. 4. If you don’t refill adblue, the car won’t start. If you were allowed to drive without adblue, 90% wouldn’t bother to refill. | |
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10th March 2020, 10:11 | #109 |
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| Re: The BS6 Ford Endeavour with new 2.0L diesel engine, now launched at 29.55 lakhs Quote:
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On a separate note - DEF equipped vehicles might pose additional issue of DEF freezing in cold temperature below -11 degC affecting Engine starting. | ||||
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12th March 2020, 11:36 | #111 | |
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| Re: The BS6 Ford Endeavour with new 2.0L diesel engine, now launched at 29.55 lakhs Quote:
Thank you AG for the detailed reply. One quick clarification. These ranges that you indicated are for what tank capacity? (rate of consumption ) For Endeavour I understand you've mentioned it for 18 litres tank capacity. Also it's safe to reckon that it should not be quite the distance(kms) that's considered instead the number of hours the car has logged ( engine run time ) | |
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12th March 2020, 19:37 | #112 | |
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| Re: The BS6 Ford Endeavour with new 2.0L diesel engine, now launched at 29.55 lakhs Quote:
DEF usage will depend on a number of factors and it will be hard to find a direct relation between it's consumption and distance or engine run time or both. Since other BS6 vehicles with DEF have been on sale in India for quite sometime now, I am sure their owners can share the real world experience on this. | |
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13th March 2020, 01:15 | #113 |
BHPian | Re: The BS6 Ford Endeavour with new 2.0L diesel engine, now launched at 29.55 lakhs
Wow. When I enquired about this, my sales executive had mentioned that DEF will last for approx 10,000 KMS for 2.0, and it would cost 6000 INR for a 18 liter top up. Looking at the retail price you mentioned, I have a feeling that probably that is how Ford is planning to recover the BS6 conversion charges from customers |
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13th March 2020, 10:22 | #114 | |
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Infractions: 0/1 (7) | Re: The BS6 Ford Endeavour with new 2.0L diesel engine, now launched at 29.55 lakhs Quote:
Off topic, fiat service used to charge 65 for windshield washer fluid, my cost otherwise was 300 for nearly 2 years and 10 refills. | |
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14th March 2020, 10:16 | #115 | |
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14th March 2020, 13:46 | #116 |
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| Re: The BS6 Ford Endeavour with new 2.0L diesel engine, now launched at 29.55 lakhs Went to a Ford Showroom to test drive the new BS6 Ecosport for a friend of mine. When I discuss with the Head of the Showroom. The discussion was ranging from JV between Ford & Mahindra to everything. Amidst this he quoted that "Although Ford only released 2L version for Endeavour for now, they will introduce the 3.2L version in future". Can someone verify this? Did someone have any information about this? |
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14th March 2020, 14:10 | #117 |
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| Re: The BS6 Ford Endeavour with new 2.0L diesel engine, now launched at 29.55 lakhs
To the best of my knowledge the single and bi-turbo 2 Ltr (panther) is the replacement for the 2.2 and 3.2 Ltr (puma) Diesel engines for platforms such as the Ranger/Everest/Endevour and the Transit globally. |
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14th March 2020, 14:20 | #118 |
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| Re: The BS6 Ford Endeavour with new 2.0L diesel engine, now launched at 29.55 lakhs
So I hope the bi-turbo 2L may hit indian shore in future? 2L on an Endeavour doesn't feel good. |
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14th March 2020, 18:28 | #119 |
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| Re: The BS6 Ford Endeavour with new 2.0L diesel engine, now launched at 29.55 lakhs I test drove the 3.2 a year or two ago and got my hands on the 2.0 10 speed Ford Endeavour yesterday. Truth be told. I found the old 3.2 to be quite a confused gearbox. It used to struggle to pick up pace whenever you put your foot down (in city traffic of course). The engine used to rev a lot and after a substantial pause, the car used to pick up pace. The case with the new 2.0 is quite different. You put your foot down and it drops a bunch of gears to give you an instant surge. A surge adequate enough to inspire confidence on the roads. I was pretty eager to get my hands on one, however, Ford isn't offering any discount currently and 36 on road (Delhi) seems quite a lot for the base model. Otherwise, this seems like a pretty decent package for an SUV. |
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16th March 2020, 00:03 | #120 |
BHPian | Re: The BS6 Ford Endeavour with new 2.0L diesel engine, now launched at 29.55 lakhs Looks like I'm quite a bit late to the party - BHPians roby_dk and A.G. have already posted their experiences with the new 2.0+10speed avatar of the venerable Endeavour post the Ford Owners' drive event in Jaisalmer. Now that I seem to have temporarily overcome my almost inevitable urge to balk at the very prospect of writing, for what it's worth, here's my take coupled with a few indirect addressals of what seem like FAQs from this thread. This review is based on 2 sand courses (~ 2km + ~4km) + a ~80km highway drive. Additionally, I've put 46.5k kms on the clock of my own 3.2 in 18 months (including 3 trips to the Thar's dunes) + I drove to the event and bashed some dunes in my 3.2 on the same morning of the 2.0+10speed drive event. Belt-up! This is going to be a long 'un... *10R80/10 speed and 6R80/6 speed are used interchangably. *Apologies for inadvertent errors. *I think I might create the need for an "assembly line" section for posts as well. *This post needs the smiley so many times I'll be over the limit by 50x if I pick and choose where to use it. Just imagine it wherever you like. About an hour after entering Rajasthan - any excuse for a road trip! ____________________________________________ Let me put a disclaimer in the TeamBHP spirit - the difference being that I'm putting it before my review: Ford hosted us for the event. That in no way affects the following views. On a not-at-all side-note: IMHO a truly "family wali feeling" gesture from Ford India - so sincere in fact that perhaps gesture isn't the right word at all - there are a whole bunch of cynical perspectives that may be employed by jaundiced eyes - but the fact is that it was a truly special experience. Two things really stood out to me:
Anyhoo... To reiterate - all that goes right out the window as I type my views on the vehicle itself. Also, all photographs that are not mine have been used with permission. ____________________________________________ So straight off, let's put paid to the burning questions with the TL;DR version: Q1. Is it still the most plush and capable choice for a sensible expedition vehicle in India? The undisputed segment best? A1. HELL YES! And still by a country mile. More comfortable than before actually - the new suspension setup is at times jealousy inducing even for me (the not-so-latent angry kid that grudgingly bought an SUV because of Indian road conditions prefers the older setup). Q2. Will the 3.2 be missed? A2. Only if you're an enthusiast with a yearning for an old-school drive feel. Lots of intangibles expressed (to the best of my ability) in the next section - read on. Q3. What about off-road capability? A3. No-brainer - in fact, it's actually better thanks to the 10 speed. Why is it a no-brainer? Older, heavier, and (for now) more legendary cars (Y61 Patrol, say) crossed landscapes and conquered obstacles across continents just fine for years with similar power and much lower torque. The list of limiting factors in off-road capability hasn't included engine power for years (not counting the 90hp Safari). But do I hear you say "Come on fanboy - you've got to be kidding when you say it's better because of the 10 speed"? Well, exactly like the old 6R80 in my 3.2, the new gearbox doesn't upshift once a gear is manually selected - no matter what. So that basic is covered. But the realm of power-delivery smoothening benefits via faster shifts and more ratios is where the off-road magic occurs. I'm no rallyist, but I like to think I know what I'm talking about when it comes to expedition-demanded off-roading (and quite a bit of unnecessary cheeky nonsense off the road as well). At any rate, I have the kilometres for it. Q4. Will it sell? A4. Probably like CRAZY. We enthusiasts here on TeamBHP have long complained of "love the cars, don't like the sales approach" (those familiar with my many posts across threads bashing Freestyle/Figo/Ecosport variants will understand just how high my BP spiked in just typing this sentence) - this time I think Ford have gone and addressed exactly what the mass market wants - rather than being caught in the sale-sapping halfway house of alienating enthusiasts, but not bowing to average consumer stupidity enough. Frankly the only thing benighted fanboys of the "reliable and indestructible" competition (and salesmen) have left to desperately point towards is the engine size - but for every Compass, Harrier and Tucson with a 2.0, there's a Kodiaq, GLE and about a 1000 Land Rovers with one. Whenever I see the Endeavour dressed in its Smart Casual ("Diffused Silver") and Party ("Sunset Red") get-ups, I invariably get the most ephemeral pang about picking a naked Black Bear. ____________________________________________ In a probably futile attempt at brevity, let me try to go pointwise in order to hopefully avoid rambling too much:
Prior to driving, I had my share of preconceived notions. Even before the single-turbo was announced, I was already lamenting the loss of 1200 cc and a cylinder. What I now feel is that while new ICE powertrains might not be up my street, just like electric cars, it's a question of holding on to what we're used to - we love to talk about intangibles like "character" and "feel", and don't get me wrong, they're really important. Besides, "character" or imperfection is beautiful - but I'm starting to feel that there's certainly an element of just us holding on to the comfort of familiarity in there as well. The way I see it, the strategy is something along the lines of:
P.S. - The 3.2, even though Euro VI and latest Australian emissions compliant isn't coming back (have heard a lot of uninformed chatter on this across multiple threads ever since the second half of 2018). Finally, the 2 biggest takeaways from my perspective are: 1. With the sales charts on fire, I should be assured of spares for longer (and cheaper with economies of scale). 2. I no longer need to pretend that my ownership review is "pending" - it'd be irrelevant with the 3.2 gone. Jokes apart - this post should tell you why there isn't one. This is what I've generated with less than a full day's driving - even I don't have the kind of free time that an ownership review with my penchant for irrelevant detail would entail. Cheers! Last edited by Mu009 : 16th March 2020 at 00:07. Reason: As you might expect - CORRECTIONS! |
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