[blackwasp]

Thanks to BHPian mpksuhas for sharing this with other enthusiasts.

It is reported that Toyota is planning to handover one of the two plants at Bidadi to Maruti by mid 2020. The Etios is built at this facility but its production will stop once the handover is complete.

In 2018, we had reported that Maruti would be investing over $1 billion in Toyota's manufacturing plant in Bidadi near Bangalore. The investment is expected to be used to refurbish the facility and configure the production lines to manufacture Maruti's models and make use of the idle capacity of 1.5 lakh units per annum.

The move is part of the Suzuki-Toyota partnership which includes a basic agreement to supply hybrid and other cars to each other, manufacturing of EVs based on Toyota tech and developing sustainable technologies and safety systems.



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[GTO]

Not sure if Maruti needs extra capacity for now with all of its existing plants, but this is surely a "you scratch my back, I scratch yours" kind of deal. So far, we have seen Maruti doing a lot for Toyota = giving it cars for rebadging, taking over Toyota's extra factory...

When will Toyota help Maruti? You guessed it = future technology. All those electric cars being tested by Maruti have got to have a lot of Toyota under the hood (or shall we now say "under the floor" ). Hope Maruti also borrows Toyota's real hybrid tech for the mass market cars.

[NICHE]

Hope Maruti will get TNGA platform also at least in its premium models (instead of heartect)

[Aditya_Bhp]

Originally Posted by NICHE

Hope Maruti will get TNGA platform also at least in its premium models (instead of heartect)

We should hope Toyota doesn't get the Heartect platform.

[Reinhard]

I'm guessing MSIL needs the huge capacity of this plant to manufacture all the extra "TOYOTA" emblems, brand plates and mascots that it will then paste on the cars being made in Manesar. I just hope they don't make the "VD" badge. Whoever approved that particular trim badge on Toyota cars never paid attention to the human diseases list. People had a problem with the Tata ZICA. But never with Toyotas running "VD".

[PrideRed]

So its Japan Vs Korea in Indian soil and Chinese waiting with a bated breathe. While the Japanese appear stronger, one of their player is lazy and just like a sleeper cell. Where as both players in Korean side are super aggressive. Chinese have potential to kill both with their electric cars.

[Aditya_Bhp]

Originally Posted by Reinhard

I just hope they don't make the "VD" badge. p

What's wrong with the VD Badge?

Suzuki also has a VDI

[Reinhard]

Originally Posted by Aditya_Bhp

What's wrong with the VD Badge?
Suzuki also has a VDI

That "I" in the end makes a huge difference.
Now that you asked, Google "VD" and all hits you get will correspond to this -



VD is one of the most commonly used acronyms & there is hardly a different meaning that gets attached to it. "Venereal Disease" is universally VD.

[NICHE]

Originally Posted by PrideRed

Chinese have potential to kill both with their electric cars.

They definitely have the potential. But our market will take decades to become EV majority. So they will not be able to capture the market with EVs. Also people will not buy their cars like a Chinese mobile since it has an image issue associated. Otherwise all of them have to fool the customers like MG (SAIC) did. Even MG will probably struggle to retain the initial success

[itwasntme]

Win-win for both. Toyota gets to earn something from the massive infrastructure they have built up, while Maruti gets a solid foothold in manufacturing vehicles in South India. Add close proximity of a huge component SMEs industries near Chennai.

I am hoping both learn the best of each other and not vice versa.

[manjunathkl]

It makes great sense according to me. Toyota's booking counters are getting fewer and fewer customers. Maruti simply keeps selling no matter what. So, Toyota better buys a lot of Suzuki shares and keep it tight.

Many TBhpians are predicting, once the Toyota-Suzuki shares all its cars, Toyota will slowly push MS out of India. I believe the exact opposite. I think MS will push Toyota out of India eventually after borrowing all the tech - Diesel, hybrid and electric.

MS is too old and wise for anyone to displace it.

[Turbanator]

Originally Posted by blackwasp

It is reported that Toyota is planning to handover one of the two plants at Bidadi to Maruti by mid 2020. The Etios is built at this facility but its production will stop once the handover is complete.

This was bound to happen and Etios twins are not being halted to make way for Maruti but for the emission norms. Toyota does not have anything to offer in that segment post BS6 so they will end up producing Baleno's or whatever Maruti can sell. It appears Toyota has raised its hand for the domestic market at least in this segment. Let's see how long they can run the other plant.

With diminishing sales of both Fortuner & Innova, nobody apart from Toyota is responsible for such a situation. They came back about 20 Years back and have not taken our market seriously. Got success with MUV/SUV as there was not much competition at that time. They compete with everyone including Kia/ Hyundai in matured US markets and elsewhere but here, they have taken things for granted. The biggest mistake was spending so much on a plant to produce outdated twins which ultimately resulted in the withdrawal of support from HQ. This decision to give the factory or to sell Baleno must have been done at HQ's.

Instead of leaving the market, they should have done some efforts to come out with newer and better products. But I guess, for Toyota Motors, they already have made a decision.

[Aditya_Bhp]

Originally Posted by Reinhard

]VD is one of the most commonly used acronyms & there is hardly a different meaning that gets attached to it. "Venereal Disease" is universally VD.

What's wrong with term 'Venereal Diseases'? Its not taboo or foul language. People suffering from 'VD' keep quiet because of the way society sees 'VD'. Most of the 'VD' patients are hidden. Most of these 'VD' are curable. But this thinking of society prevents patients from seeking cure. 'VD' patients are humans and they deserve our sympathy and care. The term VD can be spoken out loud without fear.

@Mods may please delete this discussion if its not meaningful.

[Reinhard]

Originally Posted by Aditya_Bhp

What's wrong with term 'Venereal Diseases'? Its not taboo or foul language.

Yes you are right. Nothing wrong and I agree. Let's leave it at what it was - a light hearted pun. I had compared it with just another decease that caused a car name change. Let's get back to thread topic. cheers.

[nkrishnap]

Toyota would be happy that Maruti would take this plant and have some kind of minority shares to keep raking their cash registers without much effort. When the time to replace Innova and Fortuner comes, it becomes a real task for them to compete.

Kia and Hyundai will gun for their throats as their products in the upper 20 lakhs gets more acceptable. Kia with the Carnival will surely eat some of the Innova pie for sure even if its priced 10 lakhs more.