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Originally Posted by vigneshkumar31 As much as Mr Pratap Bose fends off people with quick dismissals regarding any question about the naming, or the AWD, I will wait if and when the AWD option is added to the Safari.
Tata can sit and watch what kind of demand it garners. And then probably include a refreshed version after another eternity while M&M goes to the bank smiling like they did with the Scorpio and the previous gen XUV. |
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Originally Posted by CARDEEP Thanks for the screen shots @Beelzebub
Seemingly Pratap Bose"s attitude is stubborn, sadistic & arrogant. He seems less willing to listen (even). Just toeing single line, ignoring & distancing Dan's IMO.
When you are trying to rebuild, you can't ignore or ridicule fans. Rather, Tata & he should try to get AWD (minimum requirement, if not 4x4 derived from LR) to cater to people who tread rough terrain.
I hope better sense prevails over marketing jingoism. |
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Originally Posted by turbo Totally agree. Something about him rubs me the wrong way. He has the "I can do no wrong" and "If you're not with me, you're against me" attitude.
A stark contrast to Mr. Ratan Tata, who's the epitome of humility. |
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Originally Posted by rpm With all the talk around AWD/4×4, some arguing for the motion and some against it, I would like to better understand the point being made about market demand being the reason behind culling AWD/4×4.
Isn't AWD/4×4 usually offered as a Top of the Line variant? The abysmal sales/demand may be due to the steep price difference?
........AWD/4×4 may not be of utility in day to day life, but 'whatever it is, you don't need it' approach probably doesn't resonate with why that person needs it. Maybe it gives them peace of mind, maybe they have had experiences where they wished they had it |
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Originally Posted by vigneshkumar31 While he (or his PR team) seems to be answering every comment on social media to keep the buzz alive till launch and keep the chatter live, and that's welcome because we get to reach out to the design boss directly, the way every person with a contrarian view is just flushed down suggests that they don't have many answers and just want to be steadfast and live in denial.
Regarding not launching the 4x4 till enough demand is generated, Id asked (see snapshots above) regarding how would they gauge market demand for a variant that doesn't exist. In reply he asked me if I've seen the sales of 4x4 over the last decade.I wanted to rebutt saying if he has seen the sales of the Safari over the last decade? |
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Originally Posted by kozhissery This question is same as why do you take insurance while traveling abroad. That is for "in case you need one".
I think all are asking for basic AWD and not hard-core off-roader, something like an insurance (and it all depends on the price difference).
I'm ready to pay extra for AWD than anything extra for leather seats/sun-roof/connected car kind of gizmos. |
Classic case of don't meet your heroes.
![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/images/smilies/tongue.png)
Not really a hero, but I love the way he made Tata cars desirable.
The need for AWD, 4X4 has been beautifully given by BHPians in the above posts.
In fact, a crude analogy would be Tata's present trump card. Safety.
"Yeah, our cars are 4, 5 star rated and safe"
"So what? Do you want me to crash and find it out?...Wait, when was the last time you had a crash?"
I know, it is stupid to compare safety with 4x4/AWD, still.
Most of Pratap Bose's replies feels that way.
The below dialogues may not be accurate, taken from my memory, for the love of God I can't find them. Must have been removed.
Just today morning on one of his Instagram posts a guy had commented,
"Why not 4x4 with Bof platform" (or was it regarding Hexa?)
Pratap Bose replied, "We wanted to ensure the platform was future-proof and most of the modern vehicles have done away with BoF"
I had commented on the number of vehicles still on Bof, and companies developing next gen BoFs, including Mahindra and even Hyundai-Kia.
The comment is nowhere to be seen.
The future proofing part irked me.
Partly cause 20 something years meant atleast 2-3 generations of vehicles. So they forego BoF foran autonomous BEV future from now itself?
Also partly, I would blame this
future proofing for the lack of ICE development in TML. Apart from the rumoured 1.5l GDI turbo petrol and the GDI version of the existing 1.2l petrol. As if they believe they could leapfrog into BEVs.
His other replies include, "Keep up with the modern times"...."Which century are you stuck in bro"...."aah, so many experts"
Seriously, am getting vibes of the present day BMW media handling.
The comments are sure to come, since they had overnight turned the Safari brand from a Scorpio rival to an XUV500 rival.
Of course turning away from Bof, AWD is their wish. Doesn't mean dissing those who want them or trying to cling onto some platform pedigrees.