Tata Blackbird: Creta-rivaling SUV being developed

Coyote · 13th August 2021, 10:42

I may be wrong, but I think there were issues with Nexon's platform being incapable of being modified to fill this gap. Nexon, Tiago, and Tigor are based on their old platforms, with Alrtoz and Harrier being based on the newer ones. If memory serves me right, Nexon is running on a modified Indica platform which has served its purpose and Tata Motors is interested in expanding/playing around with the Altroz and Harrier platforms now.

I think the next ICE vehicle, post HBX, that Tata wanted to launch is the Altroz based sedan. If they will ever do that, or if they even should, is a different question. The Hornbill has never materialised in any form, not even as a concept car. Given how long they take from showcasing a concept to launch, I think we are easily 3 years away from a 4.3 metre vehicle.

ashutoshb · 13th August 2021, 10:42

Don't know about the Chery platform, but the closest to reality would be the Tata Sierra.

Based on ALFA platform, the concept was 4.3 metres, which is exactly the size they want to be in. Bang in the middle of Nexon and Harrier.

They have shown us a concept already. They got a superb response in the auto expo. I was hoping to see the next iteration in the upcoming Auto Expo.

If they do give it the green light, launch it with ICE first, then electric. Or even the opposite, there are going to be takers.

It has the brand pull and the looks to be a desirable option in the segment.

Whether it will have sliding doors or conventional, that remains to be seen.

Coyote · 13th August 2021, 10:48

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Originally Posted by ashutoshb

Don't know about the Chery platform, but the closest to reality would be the Tata Sierra.

Based on ALFA platform, the concept was 4.3 metres, which is exactly the size they want to be in. Bang in the middle of Nexon and Harrier.

If they do give it the green light, launch it with ICE first, then electric. Or even the opposite, there are going to be takers.

I forgot about this concept being based on the ALFA platform. I would absolutely love a Sierra to fill that gap - I sort of already want to buy it. My understanding was Pratap Bose was pushing for the Sierra and Tata was watching public reactions.

Yes, they should absolutely launch ICE version.

f1fan5 · 13th August 2021, 11:13

Didn't Tata once say that the Alfa platform can not accomodate a 4.2/4.3m SUV?
Tata is not going to use Chery platforms and will not have any kind of deal with them.
I think with the Sierra they have 2 options either make a 4.3m SUV or make a Thar rival.

ashutoshb · 13th August 2021, 11:17

The maximum ALFA can go is 4.3.

Watch this Pratap Bose interview.

https://youtu.be/LwwVJ1OPYQ8

f1fan5 · 13th August 2021, 11:28

Off topic: Wasn't there another car with Tata Sierra like rear windows? Probably an American car. Or am I just imagining things?

ashutoshb · 13th August 2021, 11:40

I think it was the Ford Bronco.

f1fan5 · 13th August 2021, 11:51

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I think it was the Ford Bronco.

Doesn't have the wraparound rear window but I think this is the car that was in my mind.

aditya79india · 15th August 2021, 17:25

Ford Bronco

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/iipcache/165010.jpg

Benoit · 16th August 2021, 00:08

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Originally Posted by f1fan5

I think with the Sierra they have 2 options either make a 4.3m SUV or make a Thar rival.

Sierra could be the perfect rival to the Thar. No other car has the potential. Give it the fiat kryotec(even in a lower state of tune), throw in an optional 4wd/awd. We will have a car that can out sell the Thar.

The blackbird, on the other hand, can be a FWD soft-road creta rivalling SUV, with the nexon 1.5D in a higher state of tune.

By the time Tata does this, they would surpass Hyundai on monthly sales.

ashutoshb · 25th October 2021, 10:34

Booked a Kushaq yesterday. Had Tata been in the 4.3 metres space with the Sierra 5 door, it would have been my default choice.

The Kushaq will be the first non Tata car in our family after a long long period of time.

ss212 · 25th October 2021, 11:48

A slightly different question: will we never see a body on ladder frame 4x4 from Tata again?

arjab · 25th October 2021, 12:12

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Originally Posted by f1fan5

Off topic: Wasn't there another car with Tata Sierra like rear windows? Probably an American car. Or am I just imagining things?

You are right. It was the 1992 Chevrolet Blazer in S-10 trim

13th August 2021, 10:42	#76
Coyote BHPian Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Bangalore Posts: 112 Thanked: 642 Times	Re: Tata Blackbird: Creta-rivaling SUV being developed I may be wrong, but I think there were issues with Nexon's platform being incapable of being modified to fill this gap. Nexon, Tiago, and Tigor are based on their old platforms, with Alrtoz and Harrier being based on the newer ones. If memory serves me right, Nexon is running on a modified Indica platform which has served its purpose and Tata Motors is interested in expanding/playing around with the Altroz and Harrier platforms now. I think the next ICE vehicle, post HBX, that Tata wanted to launch is the Altroz based sedan. If they will ever do that, or if they even should, is a different question. The Hornbill has never materialised in any form, not even as a concept car. Given how long they take from showcasing a concept to launch, I think we are easily 3 years away from a 4.3 metre vehicle.
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ashutoshb Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NOIDA Posts: 1,814 Thanked: 4,543 Times View My Garage	Re: Tata Blackbird: Creta-rivaling SUV being developed Don't know about the Chery platform, but the closest to reality would be the Tata Sierra. Based on ALFA platform, the concept was 4.3 metres, which is exactly the size they want to be in. Bang in the middle of Nexon and Harrier. They have shown us a concept already. They got a superb response in the auto expo. I was hoping to see the next iteration in the upcoming Auto Expo. If they do give it the green light, launch it with ICE first, then electric. Or even the opposite, there are going to be takers. It has the brand pull and the looks to be a desirable option in the segment. Whether it will have sliding doors or conventional, that remains to be seen.
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f1fan5 BHPian Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: Bhubaneswar Posts: 76 Thanked: 235 Times	Re: Tata Blackbird: Creta-rivaling SUV being developed Didn't Tata once say that the Alfa platform can not accomodate a 4.2/4.3m SUV? Tata is not going to use Chery platforms and will not have any kind of deal with them. I think with the Sierra they have 2 options either make a 4.3m SUV or make a Thar rival.
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f1fan5 BHPian Join Date: Jun 2021 Location: Bhubaneswar Posts: 76 Thanked: 235 Times	Re: Tata Blackbird: Creta-rivaling SUV being developed Off topic: Wasn't there another car with Tata Sierra like rear windows? Probably an American car. Or am I just imagining things?
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ashutoshb Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NOIDA Posts: 1,814 Thanked: 4,543 Times View My Garage	Re: Tata Blackbird: Creta-rivaling SUV being developed I think it was the Ford Bronco.
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aditya79india BHPian Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: DELHI Posts: 370 Thanked: 515 Times	Re: Tata Blackbird: Creta-rivaling SUV being developed Ford Bronco https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/iipcache/165010.jpg
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25th October 2021, 10:34	#86
ashutoshb Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NOIDA Posts: 1,814 Thanked: 4,543 Times View My Garage	Re: Tata Blackbird: Creta-rivaling SUV being developed Booked a Kushaq yesterday. Had Tata been in the 4.3 metres space with the Sierra 5 door, it would have been my default choice. The Kushaq will be the first non Tata car in our family after a long long period of time.
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ss212 BHPian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: India Posts: 64 Thanked: 122 Times	Re: Tata Blackbird: Creta-rivaling SUV being developed A slightly different question: will we never see a body on ladder frame 4x4 from Tata again?
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