[tushky]

Originally Posted by RavenAvi

TML has benchmarked the Chery Tiggo SUV for the development of it's Creta/Duster rival.

Tata is in the process of studying the Tiggo.

This is off topic, however 2016 Chery Tiggos dashboard layout is very similar to Tata Xenon and Tata Indica. Chery copied Tata?

[avisidhu]

Originally Posted by simplyself

Tiago, Nexon, Hexa, Harrier....These are all good looking and competent products but where is a sedan in this line up?
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Unfortunately for us enthusiasts, the Sedan segment is a dying one, and one can perfectly understand why Tata would shy away from investing. Even the Tigor despite being the best looking CS, hasn't been selling as much as it should have. You could say that Japs and Koreans have more sorted products, but the argument is now moot since Tata has shown it is capable of taking the fight to segments twice the price point.

But one cannot argue with the fact that not only is Tata traditionally known for UV capabilities, but leveraging Land Rover product engineering also leads it in the same direction (Pretty certain LR underpinnings is the first thing any Harrier owner mentions ) Long story short, makes sense if they are ignoring the Sedan segment in the short/medium term.

[simplyself]

Originally Posted by avisidhu

Unfortunately for us enthusiasts, the Sedan segment is a dying one, and one can perfectly understand why Tata would shy away from investing. Even the Tigor despite being the best looking CS, hasn't been selling as much as it should have. You could say that Japs and Koreans have more sorted products, but the argument is now moot since Tata has shown it is capable of taking the fight to segments twice the price point.

But one cannot argue with the fact that not only is Tata traditionally known for UV capabilities, but leveraging Land Rover product engineering also leads it in the same direction (Pretty certain LR underpinnings is the first thing any Harrier owner mentions ) Long story short, makes sense if they are ignoring the Sedan segment in the short/medium term.

With spiralling fuel costs, market might move a bit towards sedans which are comparatively more fuel efficient. While sedans cannot match the butch looks and the high seating position and good ground clearance (which is very important due to pot holes and badly laid speed bumps), that can be addressed. Zest is a good example of that - one need not climb up or down, and never scraped while tackling humps and pot holes.

Tigor was quite a good looking car, a CS. The buyer perception that the diesel is under powered is the issue here. Incidentally, it showed abysmal sale in April, next only to the Zest.

Tata have Jaguar too.

Tata created CS segment, struck gold with Indigo CS, stuck there and eventually lost. Even with Indica that was same.

My point is, as with any and all trends, the market might fancy proper sedans. Why get caught unprepared. As such, Tata do not have a sedan in its line up. Indigo was long gone, so was Manza.

[volkman10]

As speculated earlier, Tata Blackbird is likely to be the Rebadged Chinese Chery Tiggo 5X.

the Blackbird waiting to be positioned between the Nexon and Harrier will be that SUV in question.

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[damodar]

Originally Posted by volkman10

As speculated earlier, Tata Blackbird is likely to be the Rebadged Chinese Chery Tiggo 5X.





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As per an article in June 2019 Autocar India magazine, the Tata Blackbird will use Chery Tiggo's platform. The final car may not look similar to Tiggo.

[fx45]

Originally Posted by damodar

As per an article in June 2019 Autocar India magazine, the Tata Blackbird will use Chery Tiggo's platform. The final car may not look similar to Tiggo.

Yes, as far as even I know, its just the "Platform" and not the "whole car". Seems Gaadiwaadi.com has gone a step further in baseless predictions, just like Rushlane.

[discoverwild]

I think the speculation is ripe and the rumours abound. A benchmark is probably being projected as "platform sharing" or "re-badging" without clear information to this regard.

The Alpha and Omega are the two platforms going to be used in all future vehicles of Tata, isn't it? Both these platforms can be worked on in terms of size and capabilities. Why would Tata suddenly choose another platform now?

[fx45]

Originally Posted by discoverwild

I think the speculation is ripe and the rumours abound. A benchmark is probably being projected as "platform sharing" or "re-badging" without clear information to this regard.

The Alpha and Omega are the two platforms going to be used in all future vehicles of Tata, isn't it? Both these platforms can be worked on in terms of size and capabilities. Why would Tata suddenly choose another platform now?

if I am not wrong, ACI has given the reason as cost issues and some other technical bits due to which Tata cant use the Alpha or (Alfa) for the H4X Blackbird SUV.

[simeonovitch]

Originally Posted by volkman10

As speculated earlier, Tata Blackbird is likely to be the Rebadged Chinese Chery Tiggo 5X.

"If you can't beat them, join them"

Never expected Tata to be the one to launch a Chinese product.

[giri1.8]

Originally Posted by simeonovitch

"If you can't beat them, join them"

Never expected Tata to be the one to launch a Chinese product.

Now how will all the Youtube experts who comment "Be Indian buy Indian" in every single car video get likes ?

With market sinking due to high product price, this might be the only way to keep the price in check, hope it doesn't go the Harrier way in terms of testing.

[motorworks]

Somehow this report does not make sense. Why would Tata look at Chery for an one off vehicle? And that too for a SUV, considering Tata has just launched the Harrier and also has the Nexon below it.

Also, Tata were supposedly developing a modular platform on which all its future cars were to be based on, which I assume will include the Creta size of SUV as well.

And what does Chery offer to Tata that they do not already have? Tata has the know how on SUVs, their mechanical prowess is quite good, although certain consistency issues remain. In fact the only area they are dependent on others is the 2.0 Diesel engines and auto gear boxes etc, which I do not think is the area of expertise of Chery as well.

When automakers are moving towards electrics and hybrids and all new age tech, I believe Tata would want to tie up or collaborate with a company that has such technology rather than with a Chinese company that may not be someone big on innovation. Just feel this report is misleading.

[GeneralJazz]

Originally Posted by motorworks

Somehow this report does not make sense. Why would Tata look at Chery for an one off vehicle? And that too for a SUV, considering Tata has just launched the Harrier and also has the Nexon below it.

In a way, Tata has a partnership with Chery Motors in the form of Chery JLR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chery_Jaguar_Land_Rover

Tata can pick up suitable models from Chery lineup to be sold here, as long as they are competitive. Nothing wrong in that.

[TusharK]

Rumour: Tata & Chery may co-develop SUV to rival Creta

According to a media report, Tata Motors and China-based Chery Automobile could jointly develop a mid-size SUV to rival models like the Hyundai Creta. It is rumoured to be launched around 2021.



It was reported that Tata's new mid-size SUV, which is internally known as the Blackbird, would be based on the ALFA platform. However, modifying the smaller ALFA platform has reportedly been ruled out since it cannot support larger diameter wheels. Downsizing the OMEGA platform that underpins the Harrier was also proving to be expensive. Besides, developing a third platform for 4-4.5 meter SUVs would not be feasible either.

Therefore, it is believed that Tata Motors could leverage its relationship with Chery to share platforms. A partnership would also give the Chinese carmaker entry into the lucrative Indian market. Both brands could introduce products based on the same platform, with similar suspension components and powertrains.

Source: Autocar India

[Garth]

Does anyone know if the Chery is BS6 or Euro6 compliant? If not they might have to make significant investments to get it to be compliant. Wait and watch.

[ani_meher]

If it is launching in 2021, they have no other option but to put a BS6 engine inside.