[Hayek]

Originally Posted by akshay4587

Outstation vehicles visiting NCR or just transiting through NCR should be exempted from this law period.

Don’t think anyone living in NCR can claim ignorance of the law or justify not having replaced their cars before the 10/15 year legal use period ended. It would be relatively easy to find a buyer who would pick up a 9 year old car and use it in smaller towns / villages in nearby states.

But I do agree that an exception for people transiting through NCR or just visiting should be possible. In a world with Fastag, it would be easy to monitor whether this exception is being misused. And perhaps there could be a daily pollution abatement charge deducted from Fastag for such users.

Telling someone who lives in Mathura, and owns a car that is legal there that she can’t visit AIIMS in her own car is beyond ridiculous. Charging a penalty and releasing the car (or imposing a cost through Fastag while entering NCR) is perfectly reasonable.

[souvikjana83]

The resale value of the cars are gone. Even with good brand cars like Maruti and Honda. I am not getting any quotes for my 13 yrs old Gen 3 Honda City iVtec even from third parties like Olxautos and Cars24.

[directinjection]

Is the 10/15-year period for Delhi NCR vehicles calculated from:

(a) the date of first registration of the vehicle (which by default is valid for 15 years from the date of registration), or

(b) the date of manufacture of the vehicle which, for low selling brands like Fiat, VW, etc. can differ substantially from (a)?

I own a 2009 manufactured but 2010 registered Fiat Palio Stile petrol model whose registration is valid till 2025. The vehicle had remained parked at the dealer's showroom for a year due to lack of customer interest. I am the first owner, having bought the car from the dealer in 2010.

I would be grateful if some member could provide clarity on this issue. If this is already discussed somewhere else in the forum, kindly share the link.

Thank you in advance!

[self_driven]

Originally Posted by directinjection

Is the 10/15-year period for Delhi NCR vehicles calculated from:

(a) the date of first registration of the vehicle (which by default is valid for 15 years from the date of registration), or

(b) the date of manufacture of the vehicle which, for low selling brands like Fiat, VW, etc. can differ substantially from (a)?

Thank you in advance!

Hi, the 10/15 year time period is calculated from the date of first registration.

[directinjection]

Originally Posted by self_driven

Hi, the 10/15 year time period is calculated from the date of first registration.

Thank you very much! Is there any official document clarifying this? I'd like to keep a copy with me to prevent the possibility of harassment by cops.

[self_driven]

Originally Posted by directinjection

Thank you very much! Is there any official document clarifying this? I'd like to keep a copy with me to prevent the possibility of harassment by cops.

NGT orders do not state this explicitly. If you're unsure, visit the concerned RTO for clarity. Or wait for someone else to chip in.

My friend confirmed this at Dwarka RTO before he picked up a Honda City diesel in March 2023. The gap between date of manufacture and registration was coming to 10 months, so he wanted to be absolutely sure.

[directinjection]

Originally Posted by self_driven

NGT orders do not state this explicitly. If you're unsure, visit the concerned RTO for clarity. Or wait for someone else to chip in.

My friend confirmed this at Dwarka RTO before he picked up a Honda City diesel in March 2023. The gap between date of manufacture and registration was coming to 10 months, so he wanted to be absolutely sure.

Thank you self_driven!

After my last post, I came to know about the Ministry of Road Transport's app called "mParivahan" whose screen shot is shared in an earlier post in this thread. After downloading the app and registering myself, I checked my vehicle's particulars under the section called "Vehicle Search" which has a separate row/field titled "Vehicle Age." The age of my vehicle mentioned there is indeed calculated basis the date of registration and not the date of manufacture! I double checked for another vehicle with the same issue and got the same result. For some curious reason though, the "mParivahan" mobile app provides more information about vehicles than what is available on the Ministry's Parivahan web site which I had been checking earlier and which doesn't have a field for vehicle age.


I think the issue is sorted now; I can always open the app and show the vehicle age to the cops; they can't possibly question the sarkari app!


Thank you very much for your interest and guidance!

[anjan_c2007]

Originally Posted by self_driven

NGT orders do not state this explicitly. If you're unsure, visit the concerned RTO for clarity. Or wait for someone else to chip in.

Originally Posted by directinjection

After my last post, I came to know about the Ministry of Road Transport's app called "mParivahan" whose screen shot is shared in an earlier post in this thread. After downloading the app and registering myself, I checked my vehicle's particulars under the section called "Vehicle Search" which has a separate row/field titled "Vehicle Age." The age of my vehicle mentioned there is indeed calculated basis the date of registration and not the date of manufacture.

For every official (RTO) purpose, the motor vehicle's age is determined as "x" years "y" months and "z" days from the date of registration only. Be it for the 15 year fitness, the draconian NCR laws or for getting a vehicle recognised as vintage (50 years), its always the date of registration that is taken cognisance of.

This is also absurd because in case of vintages, a car not registered for two years (say a 1973 Premier President registered in 1975) would not qualify as a vintage until 2025. Whereas the next model, a 1974 Premier Padmini registered in the same year, would however qualify as vintage by 2024, a year earlier than the Premier President.

Similarly an older model, registered much later as new in the NCR could be merrily moving on the streets. But a later model upon completing 10 or 15 years could have got deregistered.

[pedrolourenco]

I'm getting a 1980 Bullet 350 with old Delhi registration in Goa. The seller has the RC. Now I know I cannot renew the registration or get a NOC. My plan is to restore it and use it once in a while on private roads around my house.
Is the any issue owning the bike? What I mean is any legal complications? I plan to take the RTO sale form from the seller in addition to the RC.

I know it's not a wise decision, so please don't suggest to skip it and go for something with valid papers. I know a lot of people will be tempted to say that.

I just need to know if I can keep the bike on my private property legally and not take it on public roads.

[TheM0nk]

Originally Posted by pedrolourenco

I just need to know if I can keep the bike on my private property legally and not take it on public roads.

So, technically private roads are private, there wont be any issues.
Also since Goa is yet to blanket ban vehicles for pollution even that issue is not there. In Delhi, pollution control could have claimed pollution even on private property.

Having said that, This is "Boorocracy Land", so keep that in mind.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by pedrolourenco

I'm getting a 1980 Bullet 350 with old Delhi registration in Goa. The seller has the RC. Now I know I cannot renew the registration or get a NOC. My plan is to restore it and use it once in a while on private roads around my house.
Is the any issue owning the bike? What I mean is any legal complications? I plan to take the RTO sale form from the seller in addition to the RC.

I know it's not a wise decision, so please don't suggest to skip it and go for something with valid papers. I know a lot of people will be tempted to say that.

I just need to know if I can keep the bike on my private property legally and not take it on public roads.

Have you seen the RC? If yes, what is the expiry date mentioned on it?

AFAIK, Delhi RTO issues NOC for vehicles older than 15 yrs as long as they aren’t destined to any of the other metros and some nearby districts (a member had posted the list somewhere on the forum, can’t find it right now). Best outcome would be to get a NOC and register it in your home state. You can still keep it within your private land but obviously doesn’t hurt to have it road legal too.

Other option is to enquire how your local RTO treats old vehicles. Can you register it afresh under a different category, perhaps vintage, given it is almost 45 yrs old now?

[pedrolourenco]

Originally Posted by TheM0nk

So, technically private roads are private, there wont be any issues.

That I'm clear about. Just wanted to know if it's legal to buy and keep a bike without valid registration as the papers will be in someone else's name.

Also since Goa is yet to blanket ban vehicles for pollution even that issue is not there.

That's a different matter. There are a lot of vehicles over 15 years running legally on the road with renewed registration.
This is a case of a vehicle with already expired registration.

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

Have you seen the RC? If yes, what is the expiry date mentioned on it?

I have asked him to share a copy.

AFAIK, Delhi RTO issues NOC for vehicles older than 15 yrs as long as they aren’t destined to any of the other metros and some nearby districts (a member had posted the list somewhere on the forum, can’t find it right now).

Are you sure about this. I have not heard of anyone doing it. Most people get the NOC before the registration expires.

Best outcome would be to get a NOC and register it in your home state. You can still keep it within your private land but obviously doesn’t hurt to have it road legal too.

If I can get it road legal then I'm not going to limit it to private roads.

Other option is to enquire how your local RTO treats old vehicles. Can you register it afresh under a different category, perhaps vintage, given it is almost 45 yrs old now?

AFAIK no such provisions here. Even if it was there I would need a NOC to transfer it to Goa. And if I can't an NOC they why bother about a special category. I'll just register it as a normal 2 wheeler and use it.

[Col Mehta]

Looks like the government is finally listening and taking a progressive step towards developing a policy for the scrappage of vehicles to be based on pollution and not on the age of the automobiles. If true, this could be a transformative move with significant positive changes to come in the near future!

Experts please weigh in.

https://zeenews.india.com/auto/no-mo...l-2791232.html

[swiftnfurious]

Check - I have a 10 year old diesel car which still passes the PUC tests. I am based out of Chennai and am I allowed to drive the car through Delhi if I go for a drive towards Himalayas ? Any alternate route that I should look at in case entering Delhi is not permitted?

[Shreyans_Jain]

Originally Posted by swiftnfurious

Check - I have a 10 year old diesel car which still passes the PUC tests. I am based out of Chennai and am I allowed to drive the car through Delhi if I go for a drive towards Himalayas ? Any alternate route that I should look at in case entering Delhi is not permitted?

Not at all recommended, most certainly not during winters. The ban is not just in Delhi but in all of NCR. There are random checks all over Haryana, and even in the UP part of the KMP expressway. The eyes of cops light up at the sight of old cars here. It is an unnecessary an avoidable headache, getting that car here.