[rajamuneeb]

Originally Posted by blackwasp

Almost a 2 lakh rupees difference at the top trims across the segment! If thats not VFM, I don't know what it is. On-road Ciaz price will be cheaper than the competitors ex-showroom!

True Blackwasp the top trims have huge differences. But as I have pointed above as well the Ciaz top trim should be compared with Verna SX and City VX. Because thats where there is a maximum parity of the features among all competitors is. Once we compare the top trims of city and Verna with Ciaz, it looses on quite a bit on feature list and I am sure if Maruti come with same feature spec as its competitors the price difference will narrow down as well. I personally find City a tad overpriced in comparison with others. This is my personal humble opinion I may be be wrong. No offence to any of the owners of any brand.

[CrAzY dRiVeR]

Originally Posted by searacer932

And in it's top most trim, Alpha, Maruti has given a spare wheel which is steel and is even one size lower. This is NOT value. This = Cost Cutting.

Agreed Maruti is cutting cost giving 185/65 R15 on the spare wheels instead of 195/55 R16 which it comes shod with. But... City and Yaris are giving 185/55 R16 all around - even for the highest spec variants. The City V variant priced above Ciaz top end Alpha gets 175/65 R15 tyres, which is even smaller than the spare tyre you are complaining about!

Now which one is real cost cutting - smaller spare tyre or smaller wheels all around? You decide.

PS - Verna top variant comes with 195/55 tyres with steel 185/65 spare, lower variants get 185 all around. Yaris all variants come with 185 section tyres and steel 185 spare. For all your complaints - I feel Maruti and Hyundai has done the better job, than Toyota and Honda in this case.

Maruti = Hyundai > Toyota > Honda for this particular scenario IMHO.

[Santoshbhat]

Originally Posted by blorebuddy

Is it ok to use this small size wheel when one of the tyre gets a puncture? Can you drive at 80 KPMH if not more with 16” on one side and 15” on another?

It may sound a bit unbelievable, but many car makers provide a puny spare to reduce the unladen weight of the car which helps them achieve better CO2 emission numbers. Most European cars come with puny 125 section spare wheel.

These space saver spare tyres have a different (generally very high ~ 60psi) recommended air pressure to enable the narrow width to bear the weight of the car. They come with a warning of max speed of 80 kph. They are capable of this speed, but owners are better advised to drive extra cautiously, keeping a safe margin as the tyres are seriously down on grip. I once drove 400 kms on one of these 'biscuit' spare tyres in my X3. Spare tyre 125/80/R18 , other tyres 245/50R18 . Link

[nikipedia87]

I think he made it pretty clear in his last post that compared to the Yaris and the City (which offer skinnier tyres all round), both the Verna and the Ciaz offer 195/55 tyres on top variant with 185/65 on the spare and 185/65 all round on the lower variants. So even if you compare only the Verna and the Ciaz, the Ciaz is still value for money with its larger space and comfort all round.

I'm not going to vouch for it - the sales figures will.

[NFS2024]

Looks like no one has gone to the showroom to check out the new ciaz and the petrol motor? Hardly any initial reviews so far apart from maybe one ?

[SoumenD]

Any specific reason why maruti didn't use at least the CVT box from baleno on this? That would have probably brought it in the radar of competition. A better engine(petrol) than the previous one is welcome but that old 4 speed TC? Can't they see how important auto-box has become for urban crowd these days? And still no 6 airbag on the flagship model?

Maybe they don't consider City/Verna/Yaris as a competition at all , so they prefer to operate a segment lower(hence the pricing) & seem satisfied with the numbers Ciaz is managing.

[arun_josie]

Originally Posted by searacer932

It may well be common. All I am saying is that the Ciaz is not as 'value for money' as some people on this thread think it is. It's as costly as other cars in the segment for the features that Maruti have offered on the Ciaz.

It all depends on how one values each feature. As an example, for someone tyres will be the least priority and they will be super happy with skinny tyres irrespective of the money they pay. At the same time sun-roof might be on top of the priority list which gives more value for them. Such customer will not find much value in Ciaz inspite of wider tyres but they will find City better. What is value for money according to one may not mean a thing for someone else.

So, in my opinion it is not right to come to a generic conclusion that Ciaz is not "Value for Money".

[PraNeel]

Originally Posted by searacer932

You are wrong on both of these
- Honda City offers soft touch plastics in the dash:

It's just a small patch that too available in top two trims only.

- Yaris offers 4 wheel disc brakes.

Yaris is a size smaller. Moreover, it has many segment first features, however at a significantly higher price with a dull engine and no diesel option.

I prefer the same as well. But the question is how safe is the Ciaz? Did they not give a sunroof so that the structural integrity is not compromised?

I think Maruti didn't do so to keep the prices in check. Each car has it's strong points and weak points. It's the package that clicks. Honda City has it's flaws and quality issues but it's still considered the best in segment.
Maruti has done a decent job with face lift and have retained the VFM tag with a new engine, SVHS, LED lights and addition of some features at just 50k higher and keeping it below 10 lacs.

I think a perfect sedan will be with VW build quality, Hyundai interior quality and features, Toyota reliability, Honda 1.5 ivtec and Maruti service and dealer network. But is it possible?

[VWAllstar]

Drove the New Ciaz 1.5 Ltr petrol yesterday. Got to drive a good 30-40 mins with an opportunity to rev the engine as well as go on bumper to bumper traffic.
In person the front is a class above looking sedan. The space inside can beat Honda's man maximum machine minimum ideology. The drive is just the same old one with some bump in power. Handling is nothing to appreciate about. Suspensions are good, neither very soft not stiff. Surprisingly I find the suspensions better than my Vento Petrol. Feature laden. The instrument cluster looks cheap though with the blue hands. The purpose is to depict the smart hybrid technology but it comes across as an aftermarket cluster. The cabin has a good air and the colour combination makes it feel roomier.

My personal choice would be to skip it and go for Vento TSI or Verna. If money no bar then City.

[volkman10]

Maruti Ciaz diesel 1.5 liter 6 MT launch in 2019, the engine will debut in Ertiga launching this October.


link

[bhpfaninblr]

Originally Posted by arun_josie

What is value for money according to one may not mean a thing for someone else.
So, in my opinion it is not right to come to a generic conclusion that Ciaz is not "Value for Money".

Excellent point! 6 airbags and sunroof are available in the top-most versions only. For the other versions, the Ciaz petrol offers enough bang for the buck.The petrol in the City has a better top end. The Ciaz however trumps it in city driving with a better lower end.

Originally Posted by SoumenD

Any specific reason why maruti didn't use at least the CVT box from baleno on this? That would have probably brought it in the radar of competition. A better engine(petrol) than the previous one is welcome but that old 4 speed TC?

Maybe they don't consider City/Verna/Yaris as a competition at all , so they prefer to operate a segment lower(hence the pricing) & seem satisfied with the numbers Ciaz is managing.

Agree on the gearbox. The China Ciaz gets a 6-speed AT and India deserved it as well. Torque converters are preferred by many to CVTs and the 4-speed AT while not segment leading should do the job. They probably did this to keep costs in check.
For example: The cheapest Verna petrol AT that you can buy has a ex-showroom price of close to 10.85 lakhs while the Ciaz manages to keep their base AT model below 10 lakhs

On the second point, Ciaz should soon be getting the C2 segment crown back with the petrol engine launch and with the pricing of the base petrol AT below 10 lakhs.


In this segment:
(For all non-top end versions)
VFM Petrol Manual is the Ciaz
VFM Diesel Manual is the Verna
VFM Petrol Automatic: Ciaz
VFM Diesel Automatic: Rapid

(For top end versions)
Diesel Automatic: Rapid
Petrol Automatic: City
Petrol Manual: Verna
Diesel Manual: Verna

[DieselAddikt]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

Surprisingly - While checking variant information for above post, I noticed the below claim from Maruti Suzuki. "Successfully tested and in compliance with International Safety Norms". Hopefully that points to an NCAP test achieved by Maruti, though I'll believe them only once an external agency publishes the results.

Brilliant. Full marks to them if this is true !! Wonder why they are not highlighting it when they have mentioned speed alert as a feature.

[VWAllstar]

Originally Posted by bhpfaninblr

Excellent point! 6 airbags and sunroof are available in the top-most versions only. For the other versions, the Ciaz petrol offers enough bang for the buck.The petrol in the City has a better top end. The Ciaz however trumps it in city driving with a better lower end.



Agree on the gearbox. The China Ciaz gets a 6-speed AT and India deserved it as well. Torque converters are preferred by many to CVTs and the 4-speed AT while not segment leading should do the job. They probably did this to keep costs in check.
For example: The cheapest Verna petrol AT that you can buy has a ex-showroom price of close to 10.85 lakhs while the Ciaz manages to keep their base AT model below 10 lakhs

On the second point, Ciaz should soon be getting the C2 segment crown back with the petrol engine launch and with the pricing of the base petrol AT below 10 lakhs.


In this segment:
(For all non-top end versions)
VFM Petrol Manual is the Ciaz
VFM Diesel Manual is the Verna
VFM Petrol Automatic: Ciaz
VFM Diesel Automatic: Rapid

(For top end versions)
Diesel Automatic: Rapid
Petrol Automatic: City
Petrol Manual: Verna
Diesel Manual: Verna

My thoughts on the above would be:

Non Top end:

VFM Petrol Manual : Ciaz
VFM Diesel Manual : Rapid
VFM Petrol Automatic: Verna
VFM Diesel Automatic: Rapid

Top End Version:

VFM Petrol Manual : Ciaz (11.7 on road Mumbai)
VFM Diesel Manual : Rapid (with a lot of discounts and good negotiation)
VFM Petrol Automatic: Vento TSI (with discounts)
VFM Diesel Automatic: Rapid ( with discounts, 4 years service and maintainence pack)

[Leoshashi]

Placement of the Lithium ion battery pack in the new Ciaz:



Source: Autocar India review

[Col Mehta]

Test drove the new petrol AT. And the very first thing we noticed was the heavy dose of chrome all around. It did look bad in pictures but in person it looked even more tacky and aftermarket. Kind of ruins the premium look and feel of the car. The interiors though are so much better and the overall quality seems to be nice, if not very good. Ciaz has always offered great space and this car is no different. Three adults at the back bench didn't complain. Full marks on interiors and space.

The new petrol engine is weak or lets just say is "sufficient" for city use. The 4 speed AT is such a joke. We took it on NH and the lack of 5th gear was immediately evident. Not done, Maruti. 1 million bucks, premium interiors and this lackluster gearbox - huge mismatch. Came out disappointed overall. I thought Maruti has missed a trick here by not offering a better gearbox plus the new petrol engine is not even close to that tasty 1.5 ivtec engine and that includes driving in city traffic. It just feels underpowered with full house which isn't the case with Honda City. For those who do lots of highway trips - just don't buy this petrol AT.